I was always ‘troubling’ Jerry that I lived a zone colder than him. He knew what was on my mind so no way he’d of sent the -12. I was always asking him to only send to me what was the best and only what could be grown here.
I definitely have the -22 now. I got it from Cliff this year. I need to graft it yet. Cliff also sent the -12 which I have none use for, but, I may graft it anyway.
Great. At least We know for sure that you have the -22F male. If my memory recall right that Nikita’s Gift is 25% Asian and 75% American persimmon. If Jerry Lehman Op Nikita’s Gift male offspring has a pollen of the hybrid of Rossyanka then it is close to 37% Asian. So the Prok (100% American) seedlings should have 63% of American persimmon gene of cold hardiness. @Barkslip
Tony
I know we concluded about 37%. That rings a big bell to me, Tony!
I will be grafting all my persimmons the next few days. I was going to contact you, yesterday about extra scions. Basically, when finished, I will be in touch.
Here are the 3 leaves comparison. The one on the
Left is an American persimmon and the one in the middle is Tam Kam nonastringent Asian persimmons The one on the right is Jerry Lehman Nikita’s Gift offspring male with biggest asian looking leaf.
Pollination (from Gailey male) improved both taste and production of my Giboshi, AKA Smith’s Best.
Who has Gailey scions? Have searched high and low.
@Barkslip ,
Here are the pics of a few fruit of JT-02 that are still hanging on, not sure for how much longer.
This is from a potted tree which is supposed to be true to label.
Collected this from the net: https://mrtexaspersimmon.weebly.com/
Pollination Variant non astringant
Akoumanzaki New one to me, just got budwood, not much out there on the web
Amagaki is truly amazing. Not quite as succulent and velvety as the Hachiya, its flesh is crisper (similar to the Fuya but juicier) with a sweet and cinnamony flavor that finishes teasing of nutmeg. More yellow than red-orange, when I first saw one, I wondered if it was an abnormal Fuya or Hachiya with a birth defect. The flesh contains brownish filaments, don’t worry, they’re a normal component and they are your prize! When he bit into the Hykume, it was so juicy and sweet, he changed the name to Amagaki (Japanese translation is “sweet persimmon”).
Fujiwaragosho New one to me, just got budwood, not much out there on the web
Hyakumi persimmon is known as the sweetest persimmons of them all. The Hyakume is short and stout, resembling an oval tomato shape with an indented leaf on its stem end. When ripe, its skin is pumpkin toned with a flesh deepening with speckles of chocolate and cinnamon. Golden skinned, rounded fruit. Sweet brown sugar flesh, very juicy and full bodied. Rare. Pollination-variant non-astringent variety persimmon can be eaten firm or soft.
Mikatani gosho New one to me, just got budwood, not much out there on the web
Nishumura Wase/coffee cake is an early cultivar, ripening its first fruit in early August. It is pollination variant and must be fully seeded to be non-astringent. It consistently sets male flowers. The fruit have soluble solids around 13% to 15% and are somewhat watery. The tree is well-spreading, somewhat vigorous and a good annual cropper. The fruit is large and roundish. The tree is vigorous and easy to grow. It is called Coffee Cake for its rich flavor and brown flesh color when ripe. Unique spicy-sweet flavor that instantly evokes images of cinnamon pastry, hot coffee and morning sunshine. Coffeecake™ ripens about the same time as Chocolate and about three weeks to one month earlier than ‘Fuyu’. It is a non astringent pollination variant which means it develops its rich sweet flavor best when it is pollinized. ‘Gosho’ and ‘Chocolate’ are the best pollinizers.
‘Yamato Hyakume’ is a pollination variant type, but will not have a great deal of dark flesh around the seeds. The fruit are large with a deep orange-red color. Concentric ring cracking often occurs. This cultivar is a heavy annual cropper with good fall leaf retention. It is excellent for dried fruit and is one of the best astringent types. The Yamoto persimmon tree is a large grower, making a good mid size shade tree. The fruit are very large up to 5 inch in length and conical in shape. Great fresh, in preserves or dried. Fruit ripens September-October.
Vainiglia Vanilla Kaki persimmons are yellow-orange, thin-skinned spherical fruits with slightly flattened ends. Each fruit is 5 to 7 centimeters in diameter, with stiff, green glossy leaves on their tops. The pulp of Vanilla Kaki persimmons is a reddish, sometimes dark bronze color, and each fruit contains between 1 to 8 seeds. The texture of the ripe fruit is juicy, and soft to the point of being mushy. The flavor of the Vanilla Kaki persimmon is rich and sweet, with tasting notes of pear, apricot, and a hint of bourbon vanilla. It has very little of the astringent tartness that marks other persimmon varieties.
Thanks a million, Tippy.
Dax,
My is a young tree and is not 2 ft tall yet. That’s why I took pics now before they drop!!
I think others like @SMC_zone6 , @PharmerDrewee , @tonyOmahaz5 probably have older JT-02 that can carry fruit to maturity.
Tomorrow I will take pics of my last two Kassandra fruit before they all drop.
Yes,
That looks like JT-02 leaf and fruit.
I added on JBT06(JT-02 crossed with -22F Rossyanka male), Rossyanka male -22F cold hardy to Jerry Lehman Nikita’s Gift male offspring which survived the -31F.
JT-02 top worked on a large D.V. rootstock.
Another JT-02
Great looking Hybrids collection
@Barkslip. In a few years your orchard will filled up beautifully.
Love it!
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/pbr.12427
These two articles have tables with the info I think you are looking for.
FWIW my Kassandra, planted in 2017, seems to be holding onto a big crop. It’s dropped a small portion a week or so ago but the majority are sticking around.
Maybe someone with experience can tell me when to feel confident.
Edit 7/12/22: Kassandra has dropped many more small fruits but still holds a good number. I’m cautiously optimistic that it is thinning its crop appropriately (and that I won’t have to do it) while retaining a good crop.
Very interesting article parkway. Summing it up, there are two known variants of the gene associated with male flower formation. Most male expressing plants show at least one of each. Taishu is the exception with apparently duplicate alleles on 2 chromosomes out of the complement of 6. Just having a copy of the male gene does not guarantee male flower formation though it is always present in any plant that expresses male flowers. I would interpret this as a partially conserved gene on a relict chromosome segment. It would be interesting to determine if the same mechanism is behind the monoecious American persimmons.
Would Szukis be in the same category as Taishu however it’s American?
Does that extra relic as (you stated) produce more male inflorescences on any given plant that carries that gene communication? I’m sorry if gene communication isn’t the correct communicative term.
