If the USDA, or NWS, or NRCS or any other federal agency has helped your growing, now is the time to tell your representatives

Hello fellow fruit and gardening enthusiasts -

I work for the USDA and am one of the ~2 million federal employees under a constant barrage of threatening emails for 3 weeks now from ‘the new management’ at OPM attempting to make me quit (and also to snitch on fellow employees and just insulting us - sometimes the PDFs sent actually show the author as non-Governmental people known from P2025 & heritage fdn.).

I work as a forest ecologist and maybe that’s meaningless to you, but remember all the areas that the USDA has been a constant help, and the NWS & NOAA, & the NRCS/SCS, on and on. There is an attempt to get as many federal employees to quit and give up their careers (and remaining employee rights) helter-skelter, with threats of ‘reduction’ if we don’t quit now. Best estimates and evidence from a couple agencies is that any positions resigned will not be re-filled.
There’s a lot more, ask me, it’s a nightmare.

The result if carried as far as they can, or even partway, will be something like if you’d done the same at a hospital: depending on who gets scared off or is willing to take the bait, you might be left with, say, a receptionist, two janitors, a dishwasher but no cook, a brain surgeon but no nurses, a billing clerk but no IT support to keep the systems going.
Don’t count on the USDA keeping all those fruit tree varieties and sending you scions, or the NWS being able to operate the networks of sensors and personnel that the country’s weather forecasting depends on, or NRCS helping with erosion or flood control, or anything else we as a society depend on.

So if you think you might miss these sorts of things (and a lot more our country’s security and economy depends on) call your DC representatives - I’ve done it so often in the last weeks (and before) they know my voice. If you can get through call again the next day, their phones should be overwhelmed. I actually get through to staffers on one consistently and another occasionally; else I leave messages beginning with name location telephone number.
Don’t let an ‘app’ do this, and don’t waste time with email or ‘petitions’, which are easily ignored; if you talk to a staffer, and enough do it, the message may get through. Physical letters may also help, by mass. You do not need a stamp to mail them.

Sorry if someone will find this too ‘political’, but this is a completely, 100% political crisis that will definitely worsen if we are passive and let it. We need to be active citizens now.

When the president and his staff calls me; we federal employees, corrupt, enemies, parasites, lazy it is political.
When a guy at P2025 tells them in a speech (see on Pro Publica) attacking the government and federal employees (except himself apparently) “When they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work because they are increasingly viewed as the villains. We want their funding to be shut down so that the EPA can’t do all of the rules against our energy industry because they have no bandwidth financially to do so. We want to put them in trauma.” and is confirmed as the head of OMB it is political (the trauma is working on me by the way - hell I even wake up in the middle of the night in trauma now - finally, I guess: fatcat rich bureaucrats words are put into action! [Insane words of course; this guy has a sub-literate level of language ability you’ll see of you watch the video]).
When an unelected shadow zillionaire suddenly has unknown and massive power over our institutions and treasury and sends teams of unvetted 20-somethings with no security clearance and no experience running OPM (and writing emails to all government employees sometimes with almost comically poor penmanship) and gaining access to information systems critical to our economy, national security, and operation of government, it is political.
When it affects all our futures n so many ways - in addition to our hobby or business - with little or no accountability or revue, in violation of law, constitution, norms, and public interest, it is political.

And, in our context here, it is also about growing fruit.

In addition to political this also seems to me to be surreal, frightening, and approaches at times satire. Ask who might benefit from this.

If and when my position/I am ‘canceled’ after a career of constantly moving myself to keep doing this work this may be an insurmountable situation. All the fruit I’ve been planting here at my house (first house I bought at age 52 because I live where they’re cheap enough for me to afford, I’m not getting rich here) I might not be able to see bear fruit. I can’t imagine finding another ecologist job in a country flooded with now unemployed field scientists, and I live far from any cities where I could try something else. I could sell my house for maybe $60 or 80k (it’d be worth 400k more than that if it were in a city), but that would’d allow me to move to many other places. I make a fairly low wage but I am frugal having grown up poor. But this is all way bigger than my puny life or job.

I wish I could be asking about a plum variety here instead.

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In addition, many grants are tied in with state and federal agencies fee disbursals. In my state of Pennsylvania, there have been major efforts in recent years to accelerate riparian buffer plantings, specialty crop research, agroforestry acceleration, and other “climate-smart” solutions. These were part of the Farm Bill. All of that funding is in jeopardy. It’s a mess. I feel for you and all others involved. You don’t fix the system by breaking it.

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USDA Has helped me with the new zone updates

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@sadivnik
I am deeply saddened by this news. I wish you great courage and resolve as you face the events of 2025.

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We all need great courage, and we all need to act, starting with calling our representatives. Don’t give up, don’t let this happen, don’t be passive; we will all regret it unless we’re the few zillionaires who don’t need or want democracy or a functioning government. Or even a functioning USDA.

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problem is there is alot of corruption and overspending in the government. there is way too much pork that really needs to be cut out. unfortunately, many that are not involved are going to get caught up in it. i agree it should be done more carefully and not just completely clean slate. i can see this thread getting very political in a heartbeat. Elon didnt become a self made billionare by wasteful spending.

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(post deleted by author) I don’t want to distract from the focus of the OP.

As someone that relies on accurate (well, as accurate as scientifically possible) and reliable weather predictions to schedule work for over 20 employees and carry out frost and heat abatement measures protecting millions of dollars worth of crops, the loss of the NWS and NOAA and subsequent privatization of their services is something that is definitely stressing me out.

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that’s if you believe the sources citing this. i don’t.

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That’s the sort of thing that you should tell your representatives, perfect example! [the grapenut comment above, not sure how this will sort and land below what].

NOAA is under massive attack at the moment, and all non-NWS weather forecasts depend entirely on NWS data.

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alot of fear mongering going on. look at the tariffs. everyone was losing their minds about it including my family in Canada. within 48 hrs a deal was struck to protect our borders and stop drug trafficking here. it wasn’t about tariffs. it’s about the president protecting us. it was a tool he used to get what he wanted.

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watch and see. it will all work out in the end. he’s just streamlining government which has been way to wasteful for way too long.

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it will stabilize. he’s only started to go through with his promises. less than a month. its going to take time to go through and fix things. Rome wasn’t built in a day.

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But USAID - critical to national security, has been destroyed in a day.

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My friends at NOAA got the fork letter. Not a good vibe there right now. They shared some stories of things they overheard the d0ge guys joking about.

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@steveb4
I have read all the executive orders. I’m not looking forward to a religious state nor the many other non-budgetary proclamations.

@sadivnik
The current Congress has already demonstrated that they are not willing to abide by public opinion or expert testimony.

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I expect this thread to be closed soon, which in a way is a pity because there are some very important issues here. I’ll just say that I took a minute to share some of my views with one of the participants, and perhaps that will bear some fruit one way of another.

I just want to encourage everybody to exercise restraint and discretion. I’d hate to lose any members, as we have in the past, over it.

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Well we are a very conservative farm state but are very pro USDA as well. I’d note even in farm labor the state of Georgia is in the top 5 in hiring of Visa’ed workers.

I have talked to many USDA employees and some were stellar , highly insightful and very problem solving oriented. Most period are very professional, knowledgeable and helpful.

I think only once have I met indifference or another time someone was obviously having a bad day. Which is understandable.

On two ocassions I expressed to congressional reps that GRIN needs more staff.

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“Self-made”?!
Elon was born with a blood emerald spoon in his mouth.
Elon’s companies rely heavily on government subsidies. He uses OUR MONEY to fund wasteful ventures going into space. Yet he has the gall and audacity to try and dictate what else we spend tax payer funds on.
He didn’t create Tesla.
He didn’t invent or build anything at any of his companies.
The only product he has direct involvement in has been the cybertruck which is an abject failure.
Elon even has a crew to boost his video game stats so he can pretend to be a top player in Path to Exile. Pathetic.
Elon is a fraud and a bully.

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I’m really sorry to hear what is happening. Both to you personally. But also the other effects this will have.

I don’t live in the US. But i still find value in these programs.
https://apples.extension.org/apple-rootstocks-understanding-and-choosing-the-right-rootstock/
Is a simple example of something i find really useful.

I think it is great you are trying to help. And that you try and keep “general politics” out of this as much as possible. Even though this strangely enough now is a political issue.

To all others, please don’t devolve this into a pro or anti trump/elon discussion.

You can be pro trump/elon and still see value in these agency’s. Their not mutually exclusive. And you can also be anti trump/elon and think these agency’s need to change.

I am afraid, that damage done to these programs won’t be immediately felt by most people. But will be felt and probably for decades to come.

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