I am trying to find a few of the pits from a true to seed Black Boy Peach. Is there anyone that is willing to send me some ? I would gladly purchase them and pay for shipping.
Thanks,
Phyllis
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My Black Boy peaches wonât be ripe for a while, but I can save and send you some pits later this season if you havenât found them elsewhere. Just remind me in a month or so.
Be aware that you can also order BB on Lovell from Raintree Nursery right now, for delivery in 2020. Itâs where I originally got mine. They do tend to sell out fairly early, though, so donât wait too long if youâre interested in a tree.
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Thank you ! I would like to try growing them from seed, also. From what I have heard, if a tree is grafted the fruit will not be true to seed, is that true ?
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Grafting shouldnât have any genetic effect on the fruit or seed of the grafted variety. Iâve heard that peaches can sometimes be propagated successfully from seed, but I donât have any experience with that myself, and no specific knowledge of whether this is true of Black Boy. Perhaps some of the peach experts here can comment on that.
Incidentally, I also have Indian Free and Indian Blood Cling growing here, and could save you some pits of those as well if you like.
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Yes, I would like that very much. I work at a Nursery and Greenhouse and the ownerâs daughter-in-law has grown a Contender Peach from seed. It is about 3 years old, it had a few blooms on it this year, but the fruit has fallen off. It has been kept in the greenhouse.
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If a graft grows and produces fruit,that will be the same as the tree,the scion was taken from.bb
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I have read in many different places that Indian Free and Indian Blood Cling come closer than any other peach to growing true from seed. Iâd really like to know if that is true, and if so why?
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Iâve heard that, too. It seems a counter-intuitive assertion in the case of Indian Free, as IF isnât self-fertile and is thus always pollinated by a different variety.
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For what its worth, Iâve got 2 year old Indian Free seedling that Iâm growing for the sole purpose of seeing if it grows true. So I should know next year if what we hear is true. I will say this, this tree is without a doubt the most vigorous, fastest growing, lush green peach tree I have ever had. Certainly that doesnât mean fruit will be good, but it is fun seeing such a healthy, amazingly fast growing tree! .
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I agree there seems to be an inconsistency here, if it is not self-fertile it is not likely to be true to seed. My guess is one of those two assertions is wrong.
I found Black Boy and Indian Free to be very similar peaches, there is not much reason to grow both of them in my mind.
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Thatâs my experience, as well. While I have only one of each, and thus have very limited data, the Black Boy bears rather more heavily than Indian Free in my climate. Given that itâs also self-fertile, it would seem to be the better choice if youâre only going to grow one of the two. Itâs a good bit harder to find, though.
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I am trying to find about a dozen of the pits from a true to seed Black Boy Peach. Is there anyone that would be willing to sell them to me ? I live in The United States, and in Montana.
Phyllis
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I posted below about 2 days ago. I have plenty of Black Boy seeds. I could send a dozen for postage. PM me.
Chris
My Black Boy now dropping fruit- Oct 7. This 8-year old tree is a vigorous grower and sets fruit annually. The branches, however, are prone to splitting even without a fruit load.
The interior fruit color is beautiful âŠBUT the taste is bitter, bitter! Brix of 13.
My other mid-summer peaches Salish Summer, Avalon, Betty, and Nanaimo do much better. Perhaps not enough heat units for a late-bearer in maritime NW.
Tree is headed for the grafting block and, if Iâm not successful, itâs curtains for this 10â vigorous grower. Scions available in Feb if anyone wants to try it!
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Phyllis,
Just wanted to make sure you are aware that for most peach varieties, there will be some genetic variation when starting new trees from peach pits. So your statement above is actually backwards. In other words, you wonât necessarily get a black boy peach from a black boy peach pit. But you will get a black boy peach from a black boy grafted tree.
If you want to be certain to get a black boy (or Contender) peach, youâll need to graft a tree using wood from the variety you desire to duplicate.
There are plenty of reasons people grow peaches from peach pits. It can be fun to âexperimentâ to see what you get from the pit, but it wonât be a duplicate of the peach from whence the pit came.
An exception would be a peach called Trugold. It has been specifically bred to be a highly homozygous peach so that it will come true from seed.
Here is a link to an old discussion about the heritability traits of peaches.
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I have grafted Indian Free on many trees and the range of coloration of flesh is impressive. Some fruit is almost completely dark red-purple while other has flesh that is merely streaky red and mostly white.
My impression is that it is more than a difference between fruit on any given tree and also a difference between trees themselves. I will assume in the latter case it is an environmental issue- soil and/or sun exposure, probably, because Iâve seen the difference with grafts from tree to tree.
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This is my simple understanding.
Every seed produces different genetics.
No seed is ever exactly alike.
Though some things like trifolate orange have much less genetic variation than other thingsâŠ
Some fruits are much better at passing the same traits to the next generation.
To get an exact copy you have to graft or root or airlayer.
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If you are growing from seed to take a chance on outcome, you will be joining many folks own this site who do this for experimentation purposes. People do grow from seed to see if they can improve on a treeâs traits (long wait!) or get a supply of rootstocks onto which to graft peach scions (short wait).
Indian Free and Black Boy peaches are more genetically stable than, for example, apples and pears, but that does not guarantee a clone. The best way to get a duplicate would be to graft a scion in the spring.
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Thanks !
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Black Boy/Peche de Vin/Peche Sanguine/ Sanguine/Indian Free
If you are looking for the elusive NZ or French and Euro peaches⊠you may not have to look much further than Indian Free which was âdiscoveredâ in Massachusetts in the late 1800s.
A New Zealander also calls them âBlack Boyâ.
http://tomatoville.com/showthread.php?t=43674
Another reference to Peche de Vigne being âBlack Boyâ in NZ
https://www.veterinarynutritiongroup.com/post/pĂȘche-de-vigne-and-a-bit-on-anthocyanins
https://www.thefruitforest.com/fruits-vegetables-and-herbs/red-fleshed-peaches/
Seems they have changed the name and are now Sanguine peaches in NZâŠ
In the future they expect them to be called purple peaches.
So in summary if you are looking for a Black Boy peach from NZ⊠or hunting for an elusive Peche de Vigne from FranceâŠor become interested in Sanguine peaches⊠you may as well just get an Indian Free Peach⊠that was found in Salem Mass in the late 1800sâŠand is fairly available from several nurseries.
The names Indian Blood, Black Boy⊠and the usage of the name Blood have been removed or are being removed due to fairly obvious reasons.
http://www.chathamapples.com/PNY/Peaches.html#BloodFree
A better name is likely Spanish Purple Freestone Peach⊠if you want to be historically correct. The NZ and French folks thought it best to omit the Indian naming or Blood to best suit their marketsâŠand make it their own.
Just get an Indian Free and enjoyâŠbefore they change the name again.
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