List of hybrid persimmon species available in USA

In the Persimmons 2024 thread, there’s a video of Cliff’s tasting tour. In it he shows Whopper, another Costata x Rossey 2 hybrid. Has anyone ever suggested that Whopper is PVNA?

Edit: Richard’s list of hybrids (above) includes numerous crosses of Costata x Rossey in addition to Kuji Naja, including England’s 10-4, England’s 10-11, and Twin Naja. All these are listed as PCA.

The discussion of Kujinaja led me to revisit Richard’s list. I was reminded that Cliff’s inventory includes >40 supposed hybrids that are crosses of various DV females with a presumably male-flowering Kaki named Hokkaido.

I’m curious – Has anyone used these reported hybrids in further breeding? Rosseyanka, which is a similar but well documented cross of a Kaki female with an unnamed DV male, has been widely used in subsequent breeding. JT-02/Mikkusu has been used in some subsequent breeding but to a smaller extent. So what about Cliff’s hybrids?

I got a few seeds of Honan red x Rossyanka male aka Russian red X Open pollinated from a member on GF. I hoped these seeds are viable for Spring planting.

Tony