List of Mulberries (Morus) cataloged by NCGR with links

Yes…I am embarrassed for the author…I wonder if he actually believes that his “Java” Morus niga was actually a Morus nigra. My guess is that he actually had recognized the truth but had to justify the grant money he most likely received. As a lifetime scientist, I was continuously made aware of countless “scientific” publications that were full of blatant errors, misleading observations, and downright data manipulations.

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The GRIN query tool permits searches by native area:
https://npgsweb.ars-grin.gov/gringlobal/taxon/taxonomysearch.aspx

LOL :joy::rofl::joy:

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U.S. National Plant Germplasm System

In 1990, the U.S. Congress authorized establishment of a National Genetic Resources Program (NGRP). It is the NGRP’s responsibility to: acquire, characterize, preserve, document, and distribute to scientists, germplasm of all lifeforms important for food and agricultural production.

Search for Moraceae in Azerbaijan retrieves Ficus only LOL :joy::rofl::joy:

  • Did they really preserve seeds/cuttings of Azerbaijani ficus?
  • Are they focused only on Important For Agriculture subset?

And WOW!!! They have huge list at bottom (quoting Livinginwave) “countless “scientific” publications that were full of blatant errors, misleading observations, and downright data manipulations.”
https://npgsweb.ars-grin.gov/gringlobal/taxonomydetail.aspx?id=24619

“Made for Agriculture” (of the U.S.), not for science. This is what they need to collect and describe, by definition of their main goal: "Nectarines have arisen many times from peach trees, often as bud sports .

P.S. Iran has Morus Nigra, search on Google Images shows, and local store in Toronto sells dried fruits of Morus Nigra. My question was: do they have (at current Iran geographic location) wild mulberries (such as this year’s wild seedlings)? Things such as ecology changes may introduce (for example) viruses etc. so at some point in time specie stops reproducing via seeds (such as M. rubra) Some plants rely on other plants to propagate for instance, or on some fungi, or some hormones coming from other plants

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That is because the only Moraceae specimens from Azerbaijan in the germplasm collection are Ficus. Your search criteria was too narrow.

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Taxon: Morus nigra L.

Distributional Range:

  • Cultivated (widely cult.)
  • Naturalized
    Asia-Temperate
    WESTERN ASIA: Afghanistan, Iran
    MIDDLE ASIA: Kazakhstan
    Asia-Tropical
    INDIAN SUBCONTINENT: India (n.w.), Pakistan
    Europe
    Europe (s.)
  • Other (probably native in s.w. Asia)

Please list the errors in those publications or withdraw your post.

I am sorry that my statement offends you (although my statement is true and honest), but it is not in the scope of this forum to call out all the “scientific” or any other wrongs in this world.

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About above-mentioned scientific paper from Azerbaijan… I am from Azerbaijan: I am Master in Math (from Moscow University), and in 199x I was offered USD $3000 to help manipulate statistical data distributed in 20 years in different small tiny datasets, in medicine field, to someone who was pursuing “doctoral” degree in medicine (higher than PhD). There was no research the way I understand it (blind experiment, and similar). I was told (by boss of their institution) “our doctors know the facts, what helps to patients and what does not, but we need someone who can use buzz-words from statistics”.

And can you imagine where ‘dataset’ comes from? in early 199x? From previously written ‘dissertations’. Not from hospital archives for example. I rejected offer.

Sorry for off-topic…

https://npgsweb.ars-grin.gov/gringlobal/taxonomydetail.aspx?id=24619
This link lists books and URLs, not a scientific papers. Some are good, some not so. For example, it refers Russian database http://www.agroatlas.ru/en/content/related/Morus_nigra/ which refers some other books published in Russia, and which has link called [Object map] which seems very authoritative personally to me (since I am from the same region). Except that QUOTE: ‘Chromosome number: 2n=28.’" :tired_face::tired_face::tired_face: But photograph of Morus Nigra is very authentic, it is not something bought from Alamy photo-selling website for example.

P.S.
Perhaps I’ll create my own “living forms” web database…

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WOW this is interesting: USDA Morus Nigra distribution map (in USA)

If you click link “Data source and documentation” it will list 9 publications which are definitely not typical books sold in retail book store.Button at top-right “Show All” will show more info, with very healthy tree photo definitely taken somewhere in USA. They have two photos with fruits, and I am a little bit unsure it is Morus Nigra…

And another link, deserving my triple-WOW :wink:
ITIS (Integrated Taxonomic Information System)

(and also their (quoting) Disclaimer: ITIS taxonomy is based on the latest scientific consensus available, and is provided as a general reference source for interested parties. However, it is not a legal authority for statutory or regulatory purposes.)

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@Livinginawe, @Bambarbia
I have noticed that Abraham Lincoln wore a beard while in office, while a majority of presidents did not. However, you both fallaciously argue that since Abe had a beard then all presidents have beards while in office.

In my opinion your continued unmerited slander has no place on this site. I recommend you try Facebook instead.

Resigning to the fact that seedlings won’t grow true-to-type, could you speculate on the results? I just germinated a couple dozen seeds (advertised by Trade Winds Fruit as M. nigra). For those seedlings that mature, would you wager a percentage bear palatable fruit?

A soft word turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger…

So true…

100% that live past 3 years.

I’ve resigned to the notion that growing Morus nigra from seed is an impossibility, at least in Miami 10b. They grow to almost 5 feet, and then mysteriously die out. That’s been the fate of some 40 seedlings over the last 15 years or so. Utterly frustrating and heart breaking

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If these were container grown in a typical potting soil then the issue could be municipal water, humidity, local disease, or all three. M. nigra grows relatively trouble free here in southern CA zone 10b.

It could very well be. I am sure they’re easier to grow in their proper climate like the Middle East or California

Container or in ground made no difference

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M. nigra is thought to be native to Pakistan, Afghanistan, and eastern Iran - having arisen in non-arid geologic times. It is a complex natural hybrid of other (possibly extinct) Morus species with ploidy 22•28 = 308, 154 chromosomes.