Correction, it has Li. I cut the Lang so far back to graft over it that it doesn’t have any fruit this year (though the Dae Sol Jo graft on it does…).
Here’s a pic of the largest Li:
There are also some less-ripe Li on new growth, which came back around a failed graft.
An almost entirely hollow Sugar Cane…I assume it was ants, but it could have been any insects…
Dae Sol Jo:
Just when I think the biggest So is almost empty, I get another few pints of fruit from it. The larger Shanxi Li have been ripening this week. The small ones were a week or two earlier.
Shanxi Li and So:
It came back relatively soon- maybe 1-2 months. But, I’m not sure it is quite like it was, especially smell. I’m a bit suspicious in that I haven’t had BO even once in the last 6 month 
Well, I guess I have enough trees that I can leave at least partial trees of some of the so-far-disappointing varieties. Even GA 866, though I don’t have too much hope for that one.
I’m thinking that maybe I should have spaced my trees a bit further. I’ve got a bunch at home with 5’ spacing. Recent stuff at rentals has been 10-12’ and I think it will work better in the long run. I need to either start cutting things back hard or maybe dig up a few trees from my yard next time I’ve got more space at a rental. Bigger to start with and no need to buy more trees.
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awesome intensive–and extensive–report @BobVance
more importantly, just glad you’ve recovered from covid…
on a partly serious, and partly joking note, covid supposedly attacks or disrupts functions of epithelial cells/superficial cells. Possible our olfactory nerve endings have recovered, while our apocrine glands have not.
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first couple fruits of Texas Sawmill @k8tpayaso Thanks!
not sure if its current qualities faithfully represent the cultivar–being recently grafted. In its current state and provenance, it sure has a dense pulp with a unique milky-sweet flavor 
also promising is that even though cylindrical in conformation, it doesn’t seem inclined to cracking/splitting. Its stems seem to have minimal thorns as well.
it ‘tried’ to produce a huge leathery seed that is evidently non-viable, which isn’t really bad for certain intents. If it is unable to produce viable seed, then a most-welcome addition to other seemingly barren-pitted but quality-fruited cultivars as chico, li, r4t3 and vegas booty. One could have these ‘run amuck’ colonizing land and producing food forests and never worry about producing viable seeds(which may result in undesirable novel cultivars, which will in turn, run amuck).
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I have not found seed in the pits on any that I cracked. I did not find thorns to speak of either. It was also a very prolific bearer—at least as an aged tree.
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Texas sawmill grew a sturdy upright ~1 foot over this summer @k8tpayaso
and hardly a thorn on any of those laterals, yay!
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Is that the sucker? I have a sucker in a pot with its own sucker growing!
I will have suckers for everyone soon!
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it is the self-rooted one @k8tpayaso . Was happy enough it didn’t succumb to our 117F despite the scant roots it arrived with, so doubly happy that it launched that upright like a boss 
and as with most trees, a strong apical growth above-ground is usually accompanied by strong “apical” growth/s below ground.
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Has anyone ever made a list of the jujube cultivars that definitely produce seeds and those that definitely don’t?
Sihong, La Fleur, small-fruited Contorted(burntridge’s), Honey Jar, Sugar Cane, Ant Admire, Coco, Jin, R2T2, Lang, Korean #1, and big-fruited Contorted(jfae), v. baby, v. candy, are some i recall with certainty producing viable seed.
all rootstock varieties(spinosa-types) used by nurseries(from lowe’s to home depot, to Mr Meyer/burntridge/ogw/etc) we’ve bought from also produce viable seed, but the rootstock -snob in me now feel that it is no longer advisable to use them since desirable cultivars that are self-rooted are a much better approach.
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From my experience
Seeded—proven viability:
Honey Jar
Sugar Cane
Xu Zhou
Massandra
So
SiHong
Vegas Baby
Vegas Candy
Seeded—unproven viability but seeds appear viable
Redland’s #4 (I thought no until this year but I have found viable appearing seeds in about 70% of pits. The larger the fruit the more likely to contain seeds)
Jin Chang
Black Sea
Orange Beauty (seeds are a bit irregularly shaped)
No seeds in pit or unviable seed
Li
Chico
Autumn Beauty (I’ve had small sample size so may be wrong)
R4T3
Tx Sawmill
Dae Sol Jo (very small sample)
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Interestingly I have found seeds in Alcalde #1 and the pit is thicker and harder to crack than the Autumn Beauty pit which has not given me any viable seed yet.
I have on some sites reported Redlands #4 as hollow pitted as this is the first year I have ever found seeds in them.
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And here’s a pic of that Li picked…
It was 22-23 brix. Not bad, but not all that impressive either, other than in size. The small Honey Jar were much tastier.
On the subject of seeds, I’m starting a few, including Honey Jar. I had some from last year and was curious if they would still germinate. They do- both 2020 and 2021 HJ have seeds growing, while none of the Bok Jo have gotten started yet.
Edit: One day later and I see a Bok Jo germinated.
Edit: You can add September Late to the list of varieties which produce seeds. There was one inside the pit of the single September Late my graft produced.
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So far we have the following listed that do produce seed. Asterisks indicate uncertainty about viability of seed:
Alcalde #1*
Ant Admire
Black Sea*
Coco
Honey Jar
Jin/Chang
Korean #1
LaFleur
Lang
Massandra
Orange Beauty
R2T2
Redlands #4*
Sihong
So/Contorted - small fruit from Burntridge Nursery
So/Contorted - big fruit from Just Fruits and Exotics
Sugar Cane
Vegas Baby
Vegas Candy
Xu Zhou
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@jujubemulberry @BobVance @Bhawkins @castanea @k8tpayaso did anyone get viable seed from either version of Winter Delight?
had two winter delight’s and one seems to be the large-fruited autumn beauty(both AB and WD were imported by OGW and may have been inadvertently switch-a-roo’d by OGW when management changed). Anyway, the most recent WD i received had some deformed seeds, but it is a potted young specimen subjected to budwood-poaching so not sure if has been bearing prime fruits.
I never checked to see whether WD had seed because I rarely did anything with them at all. Not one of the better jujubes in my climate.
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Has anyone ran across the “Panzao” jujube in the US? It does not appear to be the same as “Banzao”.
It originated in China, and is now being grown in Vietnam where it is becoming popular. The fruit looks a bit like Porterville.
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I looked up the Chinese name for Panzao - 蟠枣. It uses the same Chinese character as the flat peach (蟠桃). It can get up to 6 inches 3 inches in diameter. Wow.
40g average. 63g max. Early ripening. Brix: 32-35%. In northern China (Hebei province), this thing ripens in early September, whereas Winter Delight Dongzao is early October. It’s described as crisper, finer texture flesh, thinner skin than Winter Delight Dongzao. It’s bred intended for the fresh eating market.
Crack rate for Panzao is described as 15% (normal), but less than Winter Delight Dongzao. If there is significant rain in days during maturation, cracking can be as high as 40% but still less than WD Dongzao.
It was bred in 2012 in the Shanxi Province, I didn’t see anything regarding a release date. However, it’s described as the sweetest red date cultivar currently on the market for fresh eating.
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It’s supposed to have a texture similar to that of Chico, which would indeed be finer and very nice.
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I’m not familiar enough with the original names for jujube cultivars to look up how Chico compares. I’m pretty sure that Chico is a USDA bred jujube though.
I was reading a couple of Chinese nursery and breeding reports for panzao, but they mostly mention dongzao which should be WD (I think).
