I am planning to plant persimmon for deer but need help with the best varieties. I need a variety that drops from the tree when ripe and also taste good, I plan on eating some. Asian persimmons don’t drop and I don’t know much about the American varieties.
Help with a pear that is no maintenance and bares somewhat early.
You need varieties that ripen and fall during your deer season . John Rick and any early Golden family for early ripening say about late August in Southern Illinois . Here in central Illinois I want October or later fruit drop as our archery season starts Oct. 1 . So the late persimmons and pears are my choice . I have found most wild persimmons are late . I have a late pear whose name is lost . It ripens mid Sept to mid Oct . and last on the ground for a long time . Matt mentioned some good early choices .
Thanks that helps and gives me a good start. Our season starts Aug 15. Do I need a male tree for these trees or are there any seedless American persimmon? I only grow Asian and have only dealt with wild American that need a male.
On the pears I meant a variety that produces at an early age, don’t want to wait 10-15 years for fruit. Early season is also good.
I have seen some other threads here about planting fruit trees to supply soft mast for deer. If I were to do that here I feel like the raccoons and possums would clean out the tree before any fruit hit the ground. Do you plan to put baffles on to protect the fruit until it can drop to the deer? Or just plant enough that the varmits can’t possibly eat it all. There is a pear tree at the end of my road at an old house. It had a pretty fair crop of pears on it this year. As they got close to ripening i noticed they all disappeared. No one was living there and every single pear to the very top of the tree was taken. It looked to me like a family of raccoons had a feast.
C5Tiger what growing zone are you located in? Our largest customer base is individuals with wildlife habitat goals in mind. Cant help with persimmons but can probably give you some good suggestions on pears and apples.
@forestandfarm knows lots about this. I have read Yates is a good persimmon for deer. There are also 2 varieties from Lehman’s work being promoted for deer planting due to their long drop: Deer Candy and Deer Magnet. Yates doesn’t need male if I recall correctly, not sure about the other 2.
I’ve been working on persimmons as a food source and an attractant for deer. My goal is to have varieties that drop from September through February. We have lots of native American persimmons growing wild on our farm. The best bang for the buck is bark grafting well established native root stock. You can get the first fruit in the third leaf after grafting. If you are patient, you can plant trees if you don’t have them growing wild, but it will take many more years to produce fruit.
The “deer varieties” are bred for commercial use and ended up being precocious trees, but the fruit has some characteristics that make them less desirable for commercial use so they are marketed for wildlife. There is nothing particularly special about them.
There is not much information about how zone affects persimmon drop. Generally you see words like “early”, “mid”, and “late”. Native persimmons have a very wide range of drop times. My plan is to use a combination of commercial varieties and native persimmons to achieve my goal. I’ve been swapping native persimmon scions from folks across the country from precocious trees with different drop times. Of course, the time they drop in the zone they came from may be different than when they drop for me.
Here is a thread that list some of the varieties I’m working with:
I haven’t looked recently, but the folks at The Wildlife Group, back home in East Alabama have a number of ‘soft-mast’ selections that they’re propagating & selling for outplanting…pears, apples, other stuff. Google 'em up for ideas that will probably work in your zone. Keiffer and Galloway pears would be a ‘must’, in my book.
I’ve got one pear selection that I ran across on a trip home to AL several years ago that had the majority of its crop still hanging on January 1… and a bunch on the ground. I’ve grafted it onto callery seedlings and planted at some wildlife foodplots, but they’ve not yet fruited for me; I have no idea if these are edible from a human taste perspective, but I’ll bet the hooved rats will eat 'em. It’s a small to medium round russetted Asian type pear.
Some nearby friends transplanted a fruiting persimmon 6-8 years ago, and it hasn’t fruited again for them, even though it’s grown a lot more in the meantime. If I can remember I’ll look at it at flowering time next year.
I recommend a persimmon known as H-118. You are in zone 8 I think so it will be early for your season. I grafted H-118 to native persimmon in zone 8a and had fruit the next year. Deer love it and it is larger than the native fruit. England Nursery has plants as Early Jewell. Members can send you scion for postage as H-118.