Where the wind blows, grafts above 30" are a constant nightmare. Actual wind I mean. Cage this, cage that…, but not for 200 trees. It doesn’t work.
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I tie cane poles to them. That keeps them from breaking and keeps the graft straight. The new growth often likes to flop over.
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Not sure where you are, but we get wind here on the plains. A normal spring might have 50mph sustained for several days in a row which might gust up and down in crazy ways. But, at least we like to share dirt with the rest of the world. If we are lucky, the persimmon don’t have much for leaves yet. Or, we get plenty of 100mph thunderstorm winds. Very common. We’ve had hail damage on the underneath side of horizontal apple branches. Persimmon need to have some serious diameter before they reach for the sky.
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@snowflake … my high H63A graft is secured to a stout garden stake… from a foot below the graft up to where the scaffold branches are.
Tied secure to the stake every 4 inches or so.
The bottom of the stake is about a foot deep in the ground and at the top of my cattle panel cage the stake is tied securely keeping it in the center of the cage.
I think a very strong wind might break off a scaffold branch… possible… but the central leader is secured nicely below and above the graft.
TNHunter
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Yes, definitely keep doing what you can get away with for your growing area.
This generally maps fairly well to where persimmon are not native for good reason (beyond just precipitation).
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I’m afraid I don’t know what varieties they are from, other than they’re from Compton’s breeding work. I got them from Buzzfever. Based on some of the leaves I think there may be some hybrids as well as pure americans.
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every seed grew and well. hopefully they are hardy here.
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Universal persimmon hybrid
Rossiyanka persimmon hybrid
Yuvileina Kosenka (new variety) persimmon hybrid
Bozhyi dar persimmon hybrid
Sosnivs’ka persimmon hybrid
Dar Sofiyivky persimmon hybrid
Amherst persimmon (seedling Prok)
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Yurii,
How old are these hybrid persimmon trees. Are you planning to cross the Universal male flower to these hybrids? @Yurii
Tony
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Yes, I plan to pollinate (to cross) in the future to get new hybrid varieties. Bozhyi Dar persimmon is also used as pollination.
Trees are on average 4-6 years old
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Hopefully all your hybrid persimmons will flower next year so you can cross them. Hopefully someday Dax can get a stick of that universal male so We can cross with some of the new Kakis that were grafted recently in the U.S like Kitaro, Kuro Kaki, Luo Tian Tian Shi, Taishu, Maxim, and my own cross of Tam Kam X Chocolate male somehow managed to survive the -18F this past Winter.
Tony
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Hi Trev
Thanks for posting
I have two seedlings I am pretty sure are DV since I have planted only DV seeds in this spot but even though they resemble yours I notice a difference in how your leaves curve upward while my lower mature leaves curve downward. Second
pic
One that germinated last year but I thought I lost it over winter does not resemble either of the second pic, and is growing very slowly.
Can you explain the difference? Would it be that they are different sex?
Dennis
Last years seedling
This years two seedlings
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Those are avocados, I think. Their pits are likely still attached at the root flare, just below the surface.
You might be right! I will check tomorrow
Dennis… here are a few pics of smaller wild persimmons coming up this spring here at my place. These most likely are sprouting up from roots already established underground… not from seeds.
I have near 100 of these that just pop up each spring and grow all over my fields.
This one came up in the hay bale (edge of my compost pile).
These just out in my field.
These were sprouting up under my Barbaras Blush persimmon. Yes under my persimmons i have to weed out other persimmons.
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@Yurii do you have any info on Amherst? I can’t find any info on it on Google. I have some nice Prok seedlings in air prune beds ready to get planted in ground this fall.
Yep you nailed them! Thanks Winn!
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Tony, I’m optimistic that the kaki genome has the capacity for z5 survival. Knowing there are folks hybridizing citrus to grow in Pennsylvania, persimmons are a much easier jump, I’d hope, for your climate conditions. There just has to be enough interest in breeding using the best stock. I know Cliff had been hybridizing with Hokkaido, which might be a good one to add to the mix. I believe one person has that variety I’m aware of in the states, and it isn’t Cliff (although he may have re-acquired it?)
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I’ve been continuing to experiment with my Nikitskaya Bordovaya drops and they are finally starting to have some sweetness to them, instead of tasting like a floppy fuyu.
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I had some success grafting the newer generations of hybrids this year: JT02, Dr Kazas, Succulent, Dar Sofiylvky.
Failed on Chuchupaka, Pamyati
Chernyaeva, Obininaya and a couple other ultra rare PVNA Hybrids. There is always next year but, I don’t know if I can get my hands on some of those again. My failures were due to grafting low to the ground on well-established rootstock which caused them to flood out the graft with sap. My idea was to cover the graft union with soil after it took so I still had the variety in case of winter die back. It’s a great idea but next time, I will bud low on an established tree or plant a young transplant deep.
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