Are you asking about how late you can graft onto green… in terms of time or size ? Didn’t understand why mentioned 0.5" when i would think you’d want an answer like “2 months be4 first frost”. I don’t know the answer but just clarifying.
The green wood will harden n turn brown at some point but not sure when that is.
I did graft something last week onto non-green rootstock, n that just took (but not sure if it will harden off fine on a late graft, think there was another thread recently where people saying graft needs enough growth to harden off correctly in time).
last persimmon standing is now dead, dry to the bone. that’s 5 I’ve tried. different spots in the plot, different water schedule, all spring planted. all native American varieties. (prok and Yates I think)
my pawpaws have done way better.
persimmon and jujube now scratched off my list of possible trees here. have spent too much on them with no success.
I think it may just be too hot and dry in mid summer for them to get by here. I don’t know if they can be grown from seed (jujube or persimmon) but unless I’m given babies to trial out, that’ll be the only way I try to grow them again.
That is very curious… I would expect persimmons to do well where pawpaws are happy. Do you think it’s a nutrition issue, water, drainage, or something else? Also if grafted are the rootstocks alive?
My June chip buds failed. Not too surprising, as the budwood was still quite young. I’m experimenting with August chip buds of Dar Sofiyivki on the bench and in the field. If this works for me, I might change up my timing as the grafting feels more relaxed this time of year.
I’d be happy to send you some bareroot seedlings in late winter, also one grafted with texana if you want to try that. Surely you can’t be too hot and dry compared to south Texas!
I bought my virginiana seedlings from the Missouri program this spring and had 100% survival with near 100% grafting success on them, so I have extras because I was expecting some losses.
dead to the roots. a raspberry vine near one is flourishing. there’s a mulberry near another that’s doing well. the others are near apple trees which are fine.
I’ve no idea. they’ve gotten the same care as other first year trees and all have failed. same with jujube, every one dead.
I might try to container grow or grow out from seed? I’ll have to wait until people have seed to offer up to try that though. I have one spot for two bigger trees where I initially tried to put them, I would love to get them going there.
the jujube were in a full sun area and were treated differently as each pair died- I’ve room for an entire hedge of those, but can’t get them to take.
the pawpaw are in a shaded area with roof runoff to keep them more watered, I don’t think a persimmon would appreciate that spot.
I will definitely want to try those!!! yes. I’ll read through for specifics that they like and early care suggestions all over again, I’ll need to refresh my mind on taking care of the babies.
a member on here gave me some D.E.C (whatever that means) persimmons seeds last fall. i planted them and all 30 seeds sprouted. they’re about 6in. tall now. you’re welcome to some to try . i don’t have the spots for all of them.
you’re warmer than me so id think so. i have 1 in ground that’s a ft. already with 0 care or watering. contact me in nov. should be dormant by then and ill send you some. how many do you want? they’re in 4in. pots. ill be up potting them soon but ill leave yours in the originals so not to disturb them.
ill put aside 4 of the nicest ones just to be safe. how’s the smoke there this summer? we’re getting it bad from fires in Ontario. yesterday it looked like sunset all day. could even smell it indoors. wasn’t good for my asthma.
Sounds like seeds of Donald Eugene Compton persimmon varieties (although maybe the member could have told you which female parent[s] it came from in case you got something good in the future):
They are already bigger than babies! The seedlings are a good grafting size, I’d guess were already second year from seed when I got them this spring, though most of the ones I didn’t graft were the runts of the group. Here’s an example of one of the seedlings that I’ll be digging up this winter to give away:
And here are my three extras that were grafted with (female) texana, I’ll probably give away all three of these since I’ve got 3 in the ground already:
I think you should just try one of the texanas at first, because they might not take your winter as well as the seedlings they are grafted onto. I expect they can’t take much below about 10°F. But I could offer 2-3 of the virginiana seedlings.
Check out my H63A graft from this spring…
See an advantage to grafting high on the rootstock.
The rootstock was one of my wild dv… but was a large one. Near 5 ft tall.
I added the w/t graft of H63A to the rootstock at around 4 ft high.
When my persimmons reach 5.5 ft… i tip them and they then start producing scaffold branches.
With the gradt at 4 ft… it did not take long at all for my chosen central leader to reach 5.5ft.
It was tipped months ago and has already in year 1 developed some nice scaffold branches.
I like grafting high also. If the graft fails there is plenty of room to re-graft the same year. For me it also helps get it out of deer range quicker. Why waste any height.
