Anyone know where to get a vanilla persimmon? Tried a few grafts but couldn’t get them to take.
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@Mysta … the description of Journey hybrid persimmon on nuttrees.net… includes it has the taste of vanilla. It is also a very early ripening variety… the first to ripen fruit at Englands orchard up in KY.
It may ripen late July, early August for me here in southern TN.
I grafted it to a wild dv last spring.
There is a pic of my Journey hybrid from earlier this spring. It is a pretty persimmon.
TNHunter
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I’ve noticed the Journey I grafted last spring has a lot of that reddish cast on the new growth as well. I was wondering if it was a nutrient deficiency, but it’s growing well. Must just be the character of the variety. It is really beautiful.
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Unfortunately seems hard to find that one as well! Was hoping to get a Vanilla(vaniglia) - though Journey would work as well.
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That is one of my wild rootstock trees. Some of them will show red on new growth…while others remain all green. They all grow very well… so I dont really worry about it.
TNHunter
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@Mysta I ordered scions from Fruitwood Nursery and have had excellent experience with the quality of their scionwood: Asian Persimmon Scionwood and Seeds : Vaniglia Asian Persimmon Scionwood
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Which persimmons are Japanese beetle magnets and why?
I have a rosseyanka, dar soft ky and ikkj in my front yard about two feet apart from each other (for eventual scion wood propagation) they each have about equal 2-3 foot new growth. The ikkj has been half eaten in a couple days by Japanese beetles and the Ross and ds don’t have a single bite
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I’ve had some japanese beetle damage on most of my persimmon trees in different years - I don’t think any one cultivar attracts them more than others. However, they do seem to be attracted to trees where other beetles are currently feeding. I suspect that’s what you’re seeing - the first beetles attacked your IKKJ (presumably at random) and drew in others, leaving the other trees alone (for now).
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@Ruben … I will let those two small side branches grow the rest of this season. Hopefully there will be some decent scion wood there and I will be glad to send you some if there is.
Last year when it got hot and dry here it just stopped growing…we have had a much better growing season here this year so far.
I usually post a trade list in Decmber… after inspecting all my trees and getting a good estimate on scion.
We will talk more then.
Thanks
TNHunter
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Thanks Trev, we can talk later this fall. Or I’ll keep an eye on your trading post.
I asked for since you mention that you were going to prune them off next fall and if you didn’t had no plans for them I could use one to add this variety to my orchard.
When they first started selling this new variety they also started selling the one named Raven so I bough that one instead, now looking back I wish I had gotten the Cardinal instead.
I noticed the other day that OGW now have few newer varieties, not sure if they are some that we might know under a different name or indeed those are new varieties.
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@Ruben … I will prune those lower branches off late winter when collecting scionwood and pruning.
Hopefully it continues to grow well this year and I end the season with the start of scaffolds above the cage. If I can get there… will not need those small lower branches.
TNHunter
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They get most of their persimmons (I think) from Northwoods Nursery ( https://www.northwoodsnursery.com/category/850/?page=1 ) a wholesaler, who renamed a bunch of the more recently (I think?) imported ones. So “Cardinal” is the Jo Choo cultivar, for example. A bunch of the original names are on Northwood’s site. “Prairie” are Claypool-bred American persimmons, various bird named ones are the renamed Asian persimmons.
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Great, thanks @evilpaul !!!
For some reason I think some of their names are catchy and we end up being dragged into. Lol
Our soshu
At first i though these are sun burn
But i look closer it’s been peck by birds.
They didn’t eat persimmons until they are ripen.
Wow it’s not even typhoon seasons and. They are already starting to ripe. No joke early ripen varity. I think we can start harvest and collect data in August.
Fyi we usury use paper bag to protect fruit.
Bagging start in midsummer.
But this batch ripen so early.
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The Cardinal I purchased from OGW this spring was leafed out when I received it. It has finally decided to put on its second flush of growth, and if I’m not mistaken, flowers too.
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Yeah I got those 2 times actually, I think just my shaky large hands combined with no experience just doesn’t work for grafting. Don’t have the patience to try again.
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@mysta Gotcha, I see now you’re asking about where to buy Vaniglia trees, not scionwood. Lots of cultivars aren’t widely sold as trees. I hope you can find what you’re looking for!
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Yeah, I also tried to find rootstock of lotus or kaki variety and couldn’t find any, and I was already unsure if I wanted to use the american persimmon tree I had as rootstock as I think it will get too large for my yard.
I’m curious where you live (general region is fine) and what type of rootstock you used when you tried to graft persimmon?
I’m asking because I live in the Southeastern US (NC), and I failed all of my initial attempts at grafting persimmons to wild american persimmon root suckers in my yard. I now think it was because they were all infected with the KSDS pathogen that kills kakis but doesn’t seem to affect american persimmons. Once I tried other american persimmon rootstocks, I didn’t have any trouble grafting them, but I mention it in case that might be the issue for you as well.
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I think Fruitwood also sells those rootstocks but are probably out of stock at the moment.