Tony – Just confirming, those were seeded fruits?
I crossed one of my own hybrids with a PVNA Kurogaki open pollinated offspring that is monoecious. it will take a few years before I know the result… I chose this monoecious variety as a pollinator because of the peculiar fruit shape and more importantly the exquisite flavor. Not large size but huge flavor…
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I have not previously seen a persimmon with a turban.
Many varieties have it. Tamopan is the most famous one.
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I am waiting to hear from Dax and l will update the answer soon . BTW, a gentleman name David Pierce had an American and hybrid persimmons orchard with about 100 productive hybrid persimmon trees with 12.5 % Kaki and 87.5% American persimmon gene. Dax will visit his orchard in late September and will try out all the fruits and will obtain the seeds of the best ones for more crossing down the road. I believe right now David had the best American and hybrid persimmons collection in the US.
Tony
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Stan GRK did not get pollinated so no seeds.
What boring my mind for many years is US Border Protection control for any foreign plants to be imported to the USA.
I tried to drill deep enough in such matter and learned a regular farmer/gardener merely cannot buy anything from Ukraine to be shipped to America legally.
Of course we can discuss endless about fruits quality while in fact we cannot get those plants on the US land.
Maybe such forum members have a hidden knowledge how to bring Ukrainian breed varieties of a persimmon, black and red currant, cornelian cherry, sour cherry , apples, pears, grapes, apricots.
Ukraine is full of fruiting trees and vines varieties that produce fruits exceeding traditional American varieties quality/size.
It seems somebody or something protecting local farmers from competitors.
Any ideas how to get tree’s scions or rooted trees from Ukraine?
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…without a permit.
There are legal ways to import stuff. Not everything, but a lot of things are legal to import with the right permits and USDA inspections. It’s very expensive though.
But regardless, most of these hybrids (Ukrainian, Russian, or more accurately Soviet bred) are already in the US. The newer Ukrainian ones aren’t, but that’s not as great a loss since their parents, those older hybrids, are.
As for other fruits beyond persimmons, yeah, you’d probably have to legally import those, since most aren’t in the US. And good luck with that, it’s a heck of a process.
OK, so Stan’s GRK was apparently non-astringent but there were no seeds. So in that case, the non-astringency cannot be used either to support or refute a claim that GRK is PVNA. Right?
Meanwhile, there’s no reason to doubt Mikitani’s claim based on his own observations.
I mentioned in my post earlier that he think the bird may have pecked that fruit and it may ripen on the tree so it was not bitter eating right off the tree. But the following two years the fruits were astringent when eating straight from the tree. So as of for now Gora Roman Kosh is an astringent hybrid persimmon. I will dig up my Gora Roman Kosh this fall and pot it and let it grow in the green house until it flower and I will pollinate it to see if it is a PVNA just for an experiment. It may take a while to achieve this since my graft only from last Spring. @jrd51
Tony
Sorry, I think we’re talking past one another. I understood the explanation based on the bird. When I asked whether Stan’s fruit was seeded, I was referring to the fruits picked “the following two years.” Only if those fruits were seeded (and astringent) would we have evidence that Gora Roman Kosh is astringent (PCA).
At this point, I think your conclusion that GRK “is an astringent hybrid persimmon” is premature because Mikatani has reported otherwise – and I have found him to be a very knowledgeable and credible grower.
Ok. Stan does not have a male persimmon tree so the fruits were not seeded.
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