Red flesh Japanese plum recomendation

For your consideration, another Red wonderful Burbank plum that I grow,
SULTAN
Sultan-blood-plum


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i take it you also watch Ed Laivo :crazy_face:

I really think there is room for a small nursery to bring these more public. There is lots of money being left on the table of these ‘worth growing’ things.

More red flesh plum considerations that I grow,
Starking Delicious aka Johnson Plum
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This plum is easy to grow with a nice growing behavior. No diseases after six years(I do spray). Sets profusely on abundant spurs, precocious. Fruit is firm, sweet and as the name says, Delicious.

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Good one… i dont have this one due to previous thoughts but i am open to trying it.

I grow this RED FLESHED one too. First year to produce some fruit, very good and promising.

Black Splendor

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Hi Johnnie, indeed Starking Delicious is a magnificent and very productive plum.
I initially gave it a very good review in this post:

But after trying it for several years, I can point out a small flaw in this variety: the flesh is extra sweet, but the skin is acidic.

Graft the AU-Rubrun variety; you won’t be disappointed.

Best regards
Jose

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Satsuma

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Hi Kris, I have Satsuma plums and they’re not bad, but you should graft their improved mutation, the Mariposa variety.

Unfortunately, I don’t have any pictures of my harvest of this variety, but it’s very large and tastes as good as pluots. The Mariposa plum is highly recommended.
I’ll upload a picture from the internet , the Mariposa plum , it’s exactly like the one in the photo.

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Best regards
Jose

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Already have it , been so for twelve years, Satsuma and Mariposa also.

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Do you already grow any of the best “red fleshed” but actually purple fleshed pluot varieties? I believe that you don’t have bad bacterial spot issues in Oregon so you can even grow susceptible varieties without the hassle of copper sprays. My recommendations of what works here in NY aren’t really gong to be that useful although probably anything that works here will work there- just not visa-versa. For instance you may be able to get Flavor Supreme to crop consistently there while I got my first crop of it this last season after waiting years after it began flowering profusely- I only tasted a few because I wasn’t expecting it to ripen so early.

Flavor King is purple fleshed and does as well as any pluot here. I have a late one I have to spray with copper that also has flesh of that color- maybe the last of Zaiger purple fleshed creations as it was not quite fully ripe when I picked them about Sept. 10th.

The only J. plums I grow that I enjoy eating as much as fully ripened pluots are Ruby Queen (my favorite), Elephant Heart (hate its inconsistent cropping here and how long it takes to bear) and a couple of amber fleshed ones (Emerald Beauty) or pinkish, in the case of Spring Satin aprium. Spring Satin earns its place for its early ripening, nothing of its quality ripens so early. Ruby Queen ripens almost throughout Sept here and keeps well in the fridge for at least 6 weeks after harvest, holding it meaty texture. The problem with it as with some pluots is it looks ripe long before it’s ready to harvest so to get perfect fruit you almost have to feel every plum in the tree to find the ripe ones. Or let the grass grow tall underneath and shake branches gently, harvesting from the ground. They are meaty enough to withstand such a fall.

I should also give an honorable mention to Satsuma.

To me, the main point is to have the longest harvest spread as possible with the late ones, like Ruby Queen being most important because they tend to stroe very well.

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Try to get this variety , since this red flesh plum is one of the best plums you’ll ever eat.

  • Crimson Glo

https://www.wheretobuy.davewilson.com/product-information-commercial/product/crimson-glo-plum

Best regards
Jose

Haleardi may be of interest to a collector.

Scion available from Roger Ort… along with other interesting plums

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Cocheco is sold by Cummins/Raintree/Fedco etc etc… also another ornamental

A cross of Purple Heart plum

Laura from Raintree seems crazy about it…

I may add it.

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One of my customers has a very old 4 variety plum tree in their orchard… that is old by plum standards- maybe 40 or 50. One of the plums is red leafed with redfleshed plums like that one that I assume to be Hollywood. I’ve not been there when they are fully ripe, but CHAT suggests it is an elite in flavor. I wonder if that is true. I think I can find a good piece of scion wood on the scaffold and will stick it on one of my trees to find out.

At first I thought the plum was single variety and that it was a sport… that was exciting. But once I got it to fully crop it was obviously a multi-variety tree with 2 E. plums and 2 J’s. It was hard to tell at first because the tree was stunted from years of neglect.

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if leaves are red on bottom and green on top then could be hollywood.

If leaves are red on bottom and mostly red on top then could be Nichols.

not very scientific but just an observation.

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I assumed it was Hollywood because it is the most famous of red leafed, red fruited plums. Not very scientific either.

I also have another client with a pure red skinned, and I mean pure, Bosc shaped pear- so beautiful that even though it is a multi-variety espalier I left some good graft wood on it to take this winter. It may be more pest resistant than Bosc, but being against a wall somehow seems to greatly diminish pest pressure. Maybe the reflected light and totally open pruning makes skins tougher. Science does begin with a hypothesis, right?

Nichols is not very widely known and isn’t a patented cultivar. Maybe it’s a Hollywood seedling- not that that’s a bad thing, but Hollywood is more widely tested.

Hollywood has been around since the 1920s–1930s, widely planted and clearly documented.

Nichols, on the other hand:

  • Has no known release year
  • Appears only in a handful of modern mail-order nursery catalogs
  • Is absent from old pomology literature
  • Has no patent
  • Has no breeder of record
  • Has no documented parentage
  • Is never mentioned in commercial orchard trials
  • Lives entirely in the “small nursery foundling” strata of plums
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What I get is that Hollywood is exceptionally good for a purple leafed plum but mediocre when compared to the best red fleshed, green leaf J. plums, like Ruby Queen and even Satsuma. Good years good sites, Sat can be exceptional also.

Growing Cocheco too (via Singing Tree scionwood). In my orchard Cocheco is just a utility plum. It’s main attributes are toughness and later blooming. One year it was the only plum tree that fruited anything.

Nichols has never sold the plum i dont think… just growing in their nursery.

‘Hollywood’
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There was a ‘Spencer Hollywood’ from Oregon but i think its gone… Nichols nursery is in Oregon…so it could be that one… who knows.
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‘AllRed’ is sold at alot of places but almost no pics of the fruit which is supposedly red… i have no desire for such an early plum but may interest some.
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Hollywood has probably stood the test of time and the others faded away or didnt get traction for a reason…

Maybe Nichols is ‘Spencer Hollywood’… Where to purchase a Spencer Hollywood plum?

Nichols is just where it was found…doesnt mean that is what it is.

Thats about as much effort as i am going to give it… alot of these old plums and things made their way around the trade and maybe new growers will find excitement or joy in bringing them back.