I once read about a sport of Calville Blanc D’Hiver apple out of the Netherlands.
Do any of you have any experience eating and growing this apple, and has it made its way into the United States yet?
If you folks have any links, any pictures or articles about it, I would be most grateful If you can, please post a response
Is that not Calville Rouge?
These are two different varieties
Below is what I’m looking for, I was hoping folks had some experience with it here In the United States
The Dutch name is rode herfst calville
Great looking apples. I would love to have that one in my orchard.
Agreed. I wonder why Trees of Antiquity’s picture was so much lighter in color. It IS the same apple.
I wish it was true that Trees of Antiquity had it, but they referred to their offering as an entirely different apple with origins in the Normandy region of France, while the Dutch one I’m looking for is literally a sport red mutation of Caville Blanc D’Hiver.
Just like russetting in an apple, the redder “sport” mutation Can be affected by the local growing conditions, thus in some places, the sport might come out redder than another region.
I wonder if the Dutch red version that I’m looking for Actually originated in Normandy, France, and eventually found its way to nearby Netherlands in the north.
That’s why I’m trying to get more information about it, as far as it’s origins, But it still remains in enigma, and I’m hoping folks on this form can help me trace its roots.
The link I posted says it IS a synonym for Calville Rouge. Netherlands and Belgium share a lot of apple varieties via France.
Danny Toro, first of all, thank you for your assistance here, second thank you so much for the translation page, yet I’m not convinced the stuff from trees of antiquity is the same as the dark red (possible) Dutch apple that I had pictured.
Although the Dutch translation page does reference a Red Calville, The description of the exterior color is strikingly different, And it has a slight rose color flesh.
Trees of antiquity is always keen to emphasize a rose or pink colored interior flesh apple as people are now desiring exotic flesh colored apples with more red or pink/rose interior color…. And they were able to inherit and commercially propagate the red pink fleshed varieties from the Albert Etter collection
So the fact that their page makes no reference to the flesh color, plus their description of a pale red exterior, as opposed to a dark red purple exterior as the Dutch version…. Has not convinced me that they are the same
It could be. It could also be this type is much like “Sops of Wine/Hominy”. Another dark purplish red apple that does not always color up.
Color can vary widely. Seen Hoovers and Carter Blues that were much paler too.
Black Diamond typically only goes very dark when grown at altitude. Otherwise it is purple/red.
I have a fancy for dark red to black looking apples so I would plant the dark one in hopes of it being that good looking under my growing conditions.
Yeah. I wonder what the science of coloring up dark IS. Sun is probably not everything.
We grow it at our Hocking Hills Orchard along with 9 other varieties that have Calville or Kalville or Kalvill in the name. Below is a pic of Calville Rouge.
Schwarzschillernder Kohlapfel is one of the darkest red apples we grow at our Hocking Hills Orchard. Name translates as Black Irridescent Cabbage Apple.
We grow it at Hocking Hills Orchard. Roter Herbstkalville or Red Autumn Calville
Yes, I have tasted it but not grown it. They are here in France but grown in the norther parts of the country. Very delicious and excellent for baking.
Do you have a contact where I can purchase a tree or scions?
Sometimes it is the weather that makes them lighter or darker, or the camera taking the photo.
Very nice looking apples. Those Schwarzschillernder Kohlapfel look amazing.
I have grown this apple and fruited it for two seasons alongside the ‘regular’ Calville Rouge - or what we over here in the Netherlands call the Red Winter Calville and I also grew another apple, the Red Summer Calville (Calville Rouge d’Été)
Two years ago the rootstock got some root rot and died, so I don’t have this variety anymore.
In Europe all apples shaped with the knobby protrusions at the bottom end are called Calvilles. That is why the synonym Red Calville is used for over twenty different apples from France, Belgium and the Netherlands. You have to imagine that if you would go to market with your crop, you would all just call them red calvilles, even when they came from different trees and you harvested them in different seasons. So it’s not a real synonym of the particular variety, but more a general name for the type.
To me the Red Autumn Calville is the best of the three. The summer Calville is sweet and mealy like most summer apples and the winter Calville that we have here in the Netherlands (there are many different apples again in Normandy and Bretagne with the same name) has that typical red American apple flavor and texture which makes me suspect it is related to the parent of Red Delicious.
The Autumn Calville has a better denser texture and more fruity flavor than the others. It is true that the intense red pigment of the skin also stains the flesh here and there.
