@lordkiwi Thanks for that. I stumbled around reading some of that stuff. It’s kind of strange that Prunus ussuriensis isn’t yet classified as a species even though it exists.
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Bird cherry (prunus padus) and Adara (prunus cerasifera) are compatible.
I found this topic very helpful. After years i can share my results.
Sweet cherry was grafted on Adara. Voles damaged roots of Adara so i grafted Adara to Bird cherry. Graft is very ugly, because of hard wood. I think i perform cleft grafting. Tape will be removed next spring.
Some photos…!
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I am really confused trying to read on phone. I am ordering Myrobalan 29C for apricot root, can take my plum as well, or I can easily get Marianna 26-24. What is a decent peach? And US native persimmon can take Asian persimmons, or do I keep looking?
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As far as I know, all Asian persimmons can be grafted to American persimmon rootstock. Depending on your hardiness zone, you may want to source northern grown Americans to improve cold hardiness They have a different amount of chromosomes than southern grown Americans.
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Your question is difficult to answer so I’m going to answer it as best as I can. There are many options Rootstocks for Cherry | WSU Tree Fruit | Washington State University. I’m using Prunus cerasifera aka Myrobalan under sour cherry and there is a reason I chose it and that is versatility. I’m suspecting you or whoever your getting it from thought this out very well. By the way I grafted sweet cherry to the same tree without an interstem. Yes you can graft apricot and peach among other things to it as well but I’m going to use the documentation others have done as my experience ends with grafting cherries to it. Plums are a given but some work better than others. Before you ask yes people graft almonds , nectarines etc. to it as well but you need an interstem called Adara Adara (Puente) Plum - Fruit tree, rootstock & interstem. This is a great article Goodbye plum, hello cherry | Good Fruit Grower . See this post https://growingfruit.org/uploads/short-url/8kDDicAIu75YIJ9c0AhAOoKTYwU.pdfAdara A Plum Rootstock for Cherriesand Other Stone Fruit Species.pdf (19.9 KB)
The documentation and articles will help more! Typically Asian persimmons use lotus rootstock but I can’t say why as I have seen hybrid kaki/American scion used with American persimmin rootstock many times. In my area true kaki will not survive the winter let alone years of producing so I will let someone in a warmer climate discuss kaki persimmon rootstocks further. They know over time how they do on american persimmon much better than I would. Since your zone is similar to mine I suspect your looking for cold hardy hybrid kaki/ American persimmons and as mentioned American rootstock works fine. @39thparallel has many of these hybrids on his farm on american that have been there for years.
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Lotus is the other mention that I saw, besides American persimmon. Unfortunately everyone I saw seems to be out of Lotus, but I did find American. From what I read it might not be as long lived, but it will get me there. I might graft again later.Thank you on the Adara- I’ve seen that and am keeping in mind if I do cherries. I have a list for not this year- Nanking and Romance series, maybe Montmorency. I can’t do everything - I have to be very stingy with buying anyway, and I just lost my water heater tonight. I knew it was on it’s way, but still.
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When someone mentions that rootstock I suspect they are doing several types of fruit on the same tree.
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I believe there’s multiple varieties going under the name “Hollywood.” Is yours the red-leafed purple plum, Joe?
If you should need cuttings to root off of lotus just let me know. Lotus is not cold hardy enough typically to survive zone 6a. I got die back for years before my trees adapted.
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Another question - I thought that cherries didn’t like other Prunus? Does it actually work on Manchurian apricot? I was looking for sour cherry rootstock and found that Rootstocks for fruit trees seedling and seed varieties from Rich Farm Garden says
" Prunus armeniaca ‘Mandshurica’ (Manchurian Apricot) CVI - Very hardy seedling variety grown from Manchurian seed stock, which is known for its dependability. Used for sweet and sour cherries. Hardy to -30F (-34.4C)"
I’ll go with Mazzard as I expected, but if I can do this, maybe I could use instead. Would it be shorter?
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Adara seems to be an exception to the incompatibility between plums and cherry’s
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Exactly adara is the key to everything if you want a fruit cocktail tree in my opinion. Again I’m sticking to pears for the most part but I do grow some other things like Mahaleb. Sometimes I grow quite a bit more.
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It seems that cherries are compatible with prunus padus in general.
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Do you know if Pear can be grafted to flowering quince?
certain varieties / species of flowering quince can be grafted to certain varieties / species of pear . This thread might be of help What pears are quince compatible?
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I assume all persimmon hybrids are on Virginiana rootstock, unless they’re grown from cuttings, which is supposed to be easy with persimmon, I thought.
Flowering quince is Japanese quince… Chaenomeles japonica.
The pear rootstock and good fruiting type is Cydonia oblonga.
I think you mixed things up.
A Clara Frijs interstem would be a good solution, Clapp’s Favorite is also a very compatible variety.
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Well, if you’ve corrected that idea you’re in good shape.
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Ya Li is a different species from European or Asian pears, maybe a subspecies or hybrid of Asian pear, that’s probably why. Thanks for the info.
I’m going to try Shipova on Callery.
Shipova can get huge!
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