I’ll take the rain it’s very beneficial to new trees. I’ll sacrifice some fruit for new trees. The wind has given me an unpleasant dowsing with spray from time to time.
Scab waits for no one… I spray when I can get in there … give me two good days. Expensive hobby loading up 55 gallons,
I opted not to spray as in the mail came 2 raspberry plants and about 25 strawberry plants, so I weeded and planted them all over the place. It was from a trade. The strawberries were a bonus, some people are just plain good folk, thanks!
Welcome to the enlightened club cityman. I too pissed around with Triazicide…useless ime. It was the forerunner of this site that led me to Imidan, and my results have exactly mirrored yours.
It was many, if not most, of this sites most experienced growers who first tipped me off to the wonders of it’s effectiveness. I’ve never sprayed any of the super high end synthetics to be able to make a fair comparison, but I have read many reports from those that have. Many, (perhaps all) prefer Imidan, particularly for PC control.
It’s been damn well worth every single penny imo.
Oh…and I WILL speak to it’s cost effectiveness…it’s the best thing a home grower can buy on a bang for the buck basis…hell, probably by any measure.
It’s probably not recommended for those in urban settings though with close neighbors.
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Imidan, is unfortunately worse imo Drew. I wish that wasn’t so, but it is. It has a worse stink to me…even after being applied…smells like a poorly kept chickenhouse. I actually like the smell of Malathion in a weird kind of way.
I understand your dilemma Chris, I’m in a similar situation. As far as legality goes, I’m probably legal in my use if Imidan, but I’m on the border.
I’m surprised there are no similiar restrictions for Avaunt, Delegate and Actara though. None of those are OTC formulations. I’m surprised they aren’t restricted also in Georgia.The overspray on the lawn and PHI don’t go away just because they don’t stink. I actually like that Imidan AND Malathion smell the way they do.
It makes me aware of what they are and reminds me to handle them the way the need to be handled…carefully and safely. I may be mistaken, but one of those chemicals you recently purchased I believe is more dangerous from a human health standpoint than Imidan. Olpea or blueberry…fact check that please. Again, I may very well be remembering that incorrectly. The ADHD link is by far the only real concern for me. I’d still have similar concerns with anything else.
Let me know Chris how they perform against PC etc as compared to Imidan. Oh…I should mention, I’m well known as the tightest SOB on 3 counties here…no joke. That’s why I chose Phosmet.
For me, spending Imidan money (a lot to me) yet reasonable I suppose, but then you use it and it does a job way beyond it’s cost / effect quotient and for me that’s a happy feeling. How often does a reasonably priced product entirely satisfy us…or even WOW us?
$400 is college book money for my children.
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Maybe it’s the weather or maybe my timing has been perfect. I’ve sprayed with a fresh batch of Triazicide, double strength, and Turbo Spreader this year and the fruit looks perfect so far. The third spray was yesterday. Based on the messages here Imidan is more effective but Tiazicide can work. I am bagging some fruit just in case it fails latter in the season.
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Last spray was end of May. It’s now July and there has been PC damage, about 40%. Perhaps Tiazicide worked or maybe there just wasn’t a heavy PC infestation. Rains could have reduced effectiveness. Since I’m content with only 40% damage I’ll try try the same spray routine next year
I spray straight Permethrin…mix it a little stronger then the label says–this crap is probably from 2005. I sprayed last Thurs. Overall everything was clean except the Alderman plums. This tree gets huge pressure every year and many years i lose every single fruit to PC. There were a dozen or so fruit with PC hits on them…out of maybe 100+ fruit. I’m sure some of the plums up high are covered in pC hits. I bit a few (yes…bit) of the ends off (they were all bottom hits) to see if that would save any of them. The hits looked pretty recent and i did squish one active PC while spraying.
So Imidan is not for residential use? Do you need some kind of permit to use it? I looked into getting some once and could only find it on a few websites. And being sold in 5lb bags I felt it was just far too much product for my tiny orchard. Obvisously it sounds like it works pretty well. I just wish I could find it in a smaller amount.
Has anyone ever thought of buying in bulk and dividing it out?
I think on GW there was discussion of that many years ago. I think you have to buy the big bag. It’s probably only made in that form? Maybe in other countries they do it differently? I should check the farmer supply place here and see what they have///their prices. They seem to carry everything. I’d like to rotate through something else, especially since my kids are getting older and can stay out of those areas after i spray…and i don’t spray a dense fog to begin with.
Rained overnight of course. Very warm humid. I still haven’t sprayed the apples.
That has been discussed yes, I would go in on that, but I don’t want to do the dividing!
I don’t remember the label saying it wasn’t for residential but don’t hold me to that. But you are right, I’ve only seen it in the 5 pound bags. What’s funny is that when you open the bag, It is already pre-packaged into smaller one pound bags, so it would make it fairly easy to divide up if a few people wanted to chip in. I’ve seen posts here on GF of people asking if anyone wanted to go in on a bag, but its been a long time and I don’t know if it worked. I do think someone pointed out that the small, one-pound bags inside the 5 pound bag are not labeled, so it might be illegal to ship it without appropriate labeling, MSDS, etc. And one other tip for anyone considering chipping and splitting a big bag by sending out the small ones to friends–those small bags not only aren’t labeled, but they are apparently designed to be thrown into large spray tanks bag and all. I learned the hard way (by sitting a bag down in a little water) that the small plastic bags are water soluable, meaning they melt and disappear if they get wet!
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I believe that @alan can fill you in on how a discussion ended. As I recall, there were legalities of having to be in original packaging, including all labeling, which put the kibosh on the idea. Once he realized the activity wasn’t legal, the OP who had posted the idea requested that the thread be deleted. Otherwise, I’d just give you a link to the discussion.
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Finally got my first spray of Immunox, Triaz and sticker, yesterday. I saw a few curculio half moons and I had the sprayer out in a minute. What was amazing is that about fifteen minutes after the spraying was completed, I walked the orchard to find tons of those little ‘green’ catepillars (leaf rollers?) hanging my threads from my trees like xmas ornaments. They were all over the place! They then dropped and I pretty much got everything I was after. My spray sched. has now started. I just did not want to own the volume of Imidan I would have to buy. Triaz. has always worked for me, along with good netting.
It is illegal to sell or even store the pesticides out of the original package. You need to find a farmer with some empty packages, I guess- or go rogue.
As I recall, (there were multiple threads on this) it didn’t end with a absolute proclamation of illegality, but rather the legality of such an exercise was in question. Southern Ag does exactly what we are talking about here, so too does many ebay sellers. They might be selling to total morons…at least here, you have a pretty good idea the recipient is aware of what they are getting and will handle it responsibly. I’m wondering if the big issue isn’t simply that the material is maintained with the warnings, ap rates, safe handling procedures and original data etc that the product was initially sold with? This can all be easily printed online…I’ve looked at the label many times online because it was more convenient.
And so what if it is illegal…none of you have ever broken the speed limit? Burned without a permit, lit off a few firecrackers on July 4th? Speeding, even by a few mph would be monumentally more dangerous.
I’ve offered to ship it (at my cost) to a few posters here just so they could try it out. I personally would not (and did not) ever ship it to anyone without their first reading the study on ADHD linkage. Hell, the original packaging says exactly squat about that.
I think there absolutely should be something like that here. We could then afford to spray effective sprays and even the newer safer stuff like Olpea, Blueberry and Alan spray. The shelf life and cost issues could be mitigated and everyone would be happy…probably even the law. We are NOT the average American consumer for which the laws were written.
I always think about that GW poster (passed on now, can’t recall his name) who verbally painted a perfect picture. The guy out spraying his trees with Imidan on a windy day next to an elementary school playground with no shirt, flip flops and shorts, beer in one hand, spray wand in the other and a cigarette dangling from his lips. Yep…I can see that happening easily given the general American public.
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I’ve gone rogue a few times in my life. After all, I did graft a scion from my Nadia tree to my Black Gold cherry. haha
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After how many PC hits I got this year, I’m in!
I don’t want to get into the debate over whether or not breaking the law is a big deal in this case, but from what I’ve read- and I did a fair amount of research on this last year- I think Jeff (@Appleseed70) is right when you say legal requirements that require original packaging are aimed at making sure anyone buying Imidan gets the full LABEL (with directions, haz-mat info, MSDS sheet, etc) more than the original packaging. I don’t see anything special about the bag that it comes in that would provide much safer storage than if it were in some other container. In fact, once you open the main bag the inside bags are water soluable, so if anything they are less secure than regular zip-lock bags would be, and the outter foil-lined plastic bag don’t seem to offer any better safety & security than any foil bag and maybe even another thicker bag or solid container of some kind. So I would think if someone copied and/or printed all the original label and related written information and also properly identified the contents of package, it would be legal. But of course we are all just guessing here until someone finds specific laws on the subject. Meanwhile, I bet if you packed the stuff really well, properly identified contents, and included all the original paperwork to show that you made a sincere effort to abide by the law as you perceived it, the worst you’d get is a warning to not break up and mail anymore- especially if it was just private people trying to save money. If you were running a for-profit business and were buying Imidan and breaking it down and reselling it, they would have much higher expectations and a much lower tolerance for not knowing and following the law to the letter. Again, though, just my opinion from what I’ve seen on the topic
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Me, I think the law wouldn’t bother people who did it, but people who openly say they’re doing it