I don’t see how this is against the law? if 1 person can buy it, then 10 can buy it together, all I want to do. I have no plans to break the law, or use in a way that is against label directions. If it is sold with label directions to ten of us, it is up to us to decide if we all need copies. It was legally sold with directions as required and sold in a manner that is legal. One person is not buying it and selling it off, we are ALL buying it. It is not being broken up and sold. I see stuff like that at Sam’s Club all the time with warnings not to sell individual packets. These rules apply to resellers, Nobody here is reselling it, it is 100% legal. Well if anybody wants to and needs another I’ll chip in.
Keep it private if you would rather.
I would as well. We can start a PM chain. 5 bags, 5 people
PM me if interested. Once bought, we could not include you, as resale of portions is not allowed.
Much like a case of granola bars bought at Sam’s! They are not labeled for individual sale and either is this product.
My understanding is that there are both federal laws and some more strict individual state laws regarding pesticide use. Here is an explanation from Penn State Extension that might help the understanding of legal issues regarding breaking up a bulk shipment.
Remember that with some items sold in bulk packages, the individual packets are designed to dissolve inside a sprayer and are not suitable for individual storage or transport. Those individual packets aren’t necessarily each marked to state that are dissolvable.
Another potential glitch is U.S. postal regulations regarding packaging, labeling, and shipment potentially hazardous materials.
I’m not even a novice, much less an authority on the subject of deciphering pesticide laws, but I’d like those of you considering it to have as much valid information as you can acquire before making your decisions.
I think the discussion of what is and is not permissible use is of interest to many, and can be a beneficial and informative discussion, but for everyone’s protection, if you even slightly suspect that something you are doing, or plan to do, is not within the letter of the law, a publicly displayed forum where your posts will accessible into the foreseeable future is not the best avenue to declare your intentions.
If you intend to break any laws, please don’t discuss the matter on this forum. Keep it in your own private e-mails. Please.
Although there is a company that ships the stuff, in NY you can’t get it shipped because it is highly flammable.
I have no intentions of breaking any laws.There for a reason. I will research any action I take, clear it with all authorities before any purchase.[quote=“MuddyMess_8a, post:44, topic:5951”]
Here is an explanation from Penn State Extension
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. I have no plans to repackage. As far as sending it, as stated you can’t send this stuff in the mail, agree there. That is a problem, so I doubt we can chip in as it would be illegal to mail. One would have to pick up what they ordered. So that appears to be a deal breaker. Thanks for the info. I have no interest to break the law.
Yes that Penn State article sheds a lot of light on the legalities. Looks like of I want it I’m gonna have to buy 20 years worth. Or maybe 50 years worth at the rate I’d use it. Lol
triazicide seems for work for me in controlling PC on peaches and apples. It seems less effective on plums. I’m looking for something to add to my sprayer that will boost the strength and effectiveness of triazicide on plums. Seems for plums, sprays during the growing season are required to totally combat PC.
It may be that a good spreader-sticker such as Tactic may be what’s needed for plums so that more material sticks to the smooth skinned fruit. PC is named after plums for a reason.
I use Turbo spreader/sticker
After my last spray [not triacizide] I was thinning fruits over a week later and could still see visible residue clinging to the skins
I spray just straight permethrin (i applied my last spray…i hope the pc are about done). What i have noticed is on some of the pluots/plums it seems like the spray just bounces off…so maybe some sort of sticker would help.
Damage has still been minimal on sprayed fruits.
I still think Imidan is the BEST as its broad spectrum allows me to use it on so many fruit crops and always with excellent results.
I did pickup from Amazon some Ortho Flower,Fruit and Vegetable insect killer from Amazon as a test as it has Acetamiprid in it. Not sure if the formulation is the same strength as Assail, but buying Assail is mighty expensive if you don’t have many trees. I am using this product on my Haralson apples and my 2 sweet cherries since Imidan is phytotoxic on both.
Has anyone tried this Ortho product? Just wondering if you had good results?
I have, and had excellent results - the product really does have kickback against PC, which I need on plums, given that my PC seem to keep working til September
But the stuff is hard to find now, and I’m hearing that it’s been discontinued because Acetamiprid is a neonicitinoid
Imidan is great for PC but not very effective for bugs like stinkers and tarnished plant bug. I saw some damaged peaches at a site today that was sprayed with Imidan. I have to have the sprayer put a pyrethroid on the peaches. Plums, apples and pears are fine.
Could you please elaborate a little on this?
Cityman:
I find I can use Imidan on Haralson until around June 15th. After that, If I apply I get terrible fruit russeting. By fall the russeting is so bad that the skin cracks and the Asian ladybugs and wasps destroy 90% of my Haralson apples. I do not have this problem with the other 10 apple varieties I grow.
Imidan also has a warning not to use on sweet cherries. When I tried anyway, the leaves spot up severely as the warning stated it is phytotoxic on sweet cherries.
In the past I resorted to bagging my Haralson crop early-mid June to avoid the issue and had great results with bagging. This year with my 2 sweet cherries getting big enough to have a lite crop, I resorted to purchasing the Ortho Fruit,Flower and Vegetable Insect Killer (Acetamiprid) just for using on these two crops.
If Acetamiprid will not be available in the future, then I guess my next choice will be Avuant when I use the acetamiprid up.
Triazicide works in my area. I sprayed couple of times early spring, I did not see single damage on my peach, plum, and nect. Should I continue spray over the season? I am in residential area, have low pressure on these bugs in general, but even few can ruin a crop.
Here in the northeast we often only need 2 insecticide sprays for sound fruit- one a petal fall and another 10-14 days later. Further south it can be another story.
Thanks alan!
Alan, I’d bet anything I could get it shipped to me if I lived in NY state. There are also numerous companies shipping it. I’m also dubious of it’s flammability. Not a single word of caution on my original packaging. In researching it online I find it listed as “not defined as being flammable or combustible”. Maybe you are speaking of acetamiprid, though it’s not flammable either, but is listed as combustible. I’m sure you know, this is the case with many dust formulations, assuming the one in question is indeed a dust or WP. Common flour for example is combustible…though clearly not dangerous at all.
The mail will carry it…That’s how I got mine.
You guys are making things even more difficult than they already are. Over-complicating things. It’s bug spray…that’s all it is. To read this thread would make one think we were considering shipping high level nuclear waste to one another.
It’s more effective than Triazicide on those too. BMSB for example laughs at Triazicide…laughs at it. Not so with Imidan. I believe there is a wide variant in OTC chemicals vs. commercial pesticides…I’m not sure why that is. Remember, I too have read and studied hundreds of efficacy charts…they are meaning less and less to me all the time. True enough though that it’s not the best for everything…nothing is. It IS best though for the most destructive pests, and does more than good on the majority of the others. Is there anything else obtainable from a cost and feasibility standpoint that does better…or does an even remotely comparable job? If there is, I’d love to hear about it?
Obviously, we are talking about the BYO who meets the criteria for safe and legal application.