Black Sapote (Diospyros digyna) a tropical plant.
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Thanks for the clarification.I thought it was persimmon
Its a species of persimmon, also called the chocolate pudding fruit. Ive never tried it but have heard everything from it really tastes like chocolate pudding to axle grease :). Definitely update us if you try it!
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It is a diospyros species like persimmon. It is not as sweet as persimmons and not as flavorful. In the US you can buy them from tropical fruit growers in Florida. Some even sell the fruit online. It is not generally well liked in the US because of the lack of flavor. It is often marketed as the chocolate pudding persimmon but it has no chocolate flavor at all.
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Does anybody have Giombo and Rojo Brillante persimmon sion wood they could sell me please? Thanks
I only have one persimmon tree and it is Chocolate. It does indeed pollinate itself. Mine have seeds, the brown-ish flesh, and can be eaten before super soft. In zone 7A, mine need to be picked before freezing (December) while not ripe enough to eat. They ripen nicely indoors though.
Great video! I would like to know which variety is the very last one that only has a number.
@tonyOmahaz5 and @PharmerDrewee,
Do you know what these were?
I got these from a Vietnamese market. They donât look like the usual Fuyu. They tasted sweeter, too.
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Hi Tippy. This one looks like Sharoni. The taste and texture is indeed different from the Fuyu coming out of California. I normally see them coming on the market after Christmas and continuing until the Lunar New Year.
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I thought Sharoni of Israel is the same as Rojo Brillante of Spain.
I googled the images, most look like Rojo Brillante.
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I saw this shaped persimmons in the market, but I try not to buy them. The concave shape makes harder to peel
Hi mamuang, Sharoni is the trade name for the Israeli Triumph variety, which has nothing to do with the Rojo Brillante variety.
I pass you their descriptive sheets
- Triumph ( Sharoni )
DK052-TRIUMPH-IVIA-16.pdf (358.4 KB)
- Rojo Brillante
DK023-ROJO-BRILLANTE-IVIA-16.pdf (364.6 KB)
I edit the message.
After looking at various web pages.
The Grupo Medina company grows persimmons of the âSharoniâ variety (trade name of the Triumph variety ) .
Translation of a snippet of his website
We are specialists in SHARONI: GRUPO MEDINA is the largest producer in Europe of SHARONI kaki, our most emblematic product, as it faithfully represents our values of quality and innovation.
Regards
Jose
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In Spain, the variety of persimmon Sharon (Triumph) is not very appreciated, and the leading variety of national consumption in my country is the Rojo Brillante variety.
The most important persimmon plantations in Spain are concentrated in the province of Valencia, in the riverside towns of the Xuquer river, especially the towns of Carlet and Alginet.
The Rojo Brillante persimmon from this origin , has its own D.O.P. ( Protected Designation of Origin ) .
This is your website
I have persimmon farmer friends, both in Carlet and Alginet, and the persimmons are in the trees and will not be harvested due to the low price paid to the farmer.
This year the farmer is paid a kilo of persimmon at 16 Euro cents (19 US cents), a real disaster.
As for the persimmons of the Triumph variety from the Medina Group company (pictures above), the excellent caliber of the fruits catches my attention.
They have a very good visual aspect, but in taste Rojo Brillante is infinitely better in all aspects.
Now two new varieties of persimmons are now being introduced to the plantations, which will be very promising.
- Ernesto, known under the trade name of Ribera Sun, which is a astringent mutation of Rojo Brillante 35% larger in size.
From my point of view it seems excessive, since the Rojo Brillante persimmons in my country have an average weight close to half a kilo.
Rivera Sun
And the Maxim variety, also mutation of Rojo Brillante but not astringent , which I have not eaten yet, but I have been told that it is a very sweet variety.
Maxim
Regards
Jose
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Jose,
You have provided a good motivation for me to visit Spain.
Forget about La Sagrada Familia, I would be aiming for Spanish fresh fruit 
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Rojo Brillante is PCA, right?..then its mutation to PCNA is higly unlikely.
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Hi Harvin.
Is not correct .
Rojo Brillante belongs to the VFA group, or what is the same in English PVA.
Attached again the varietal file of Rojo Brillante and its translation into English:
DK023-ROJO-BRILLANTE-IVIA-16.pdf (364.6 KB)
Rojo Brillante
1. Vegetative characteristics.
Vigorous, semi-erect variety with only female flowers.
Buds of wide oval shape, whose average budding date is March 22.
The leaves are rounded in shape, with an obtuse base and pointed apex. Its average length and width are 16.59 cm and 10.50 cm, respectively (length / width ratio: 1.67).
2. Flowering.
Average full bloom date May 5. The flowers have a corolla with an average diameter of 21.29 mm, four lobes and a regular cruciform calyx.
3. Characteristics of the fruit.
Depending on the type of astringency at the time of commercial maturity, it is a PVA type variety.
Average date of commercial maturity on October 29, average date of physiological maturity on January 4.
Average fruit weight 296.74 g, average size 82.49 mm, length / width ratio 0.93.
Wide elliptical fruit of circular cross section. In its longitudinal section the apex is obtuse, with a moderate groove of the same, without concentric cracking around the apex or cracking in the area of ââthe same apex. Longitudinal grooving absent or very superficial.
The calyx is quite depressed, without ribs and without cracking at the end. The size of the calyx in relation to the diameter of the fruit is medium and its bearing is horizontal.
In commercial maturity the color of the skin is orange and the pulp is yellow.
Soluble solids: 17.50 ÂșBrix Acidity: 1.97 g / l ĂĄc. Malic Firmness: 4.42 kgf
This is a document from the IVIA (Instituto Valenciano de Investigaciones Agrarias), which describes the different groups of persimmons.
El caqui - diversificaciĂłn varietal para un cultivo en desarrollo.pdf (421.4 KB)
And now the description of the PVA group, also translated into English
VFA group.
Variable to Astringent Fertilization, in English PVA (Pollination Variant Astringent): cultivars with astringent fruits if they are fertilized.
They are not astringent around the seeds, where a brown area forms. The number of the seeds does not interfere with the astringency of the flesh (âAizumishirazuâ, âKoshu Hyakumeâ, etc.).
This group also includes âHiratanenashiâ and its clonal mutations, although they generally do not produce seeds even after pollination.
The mechanism that regulates astringency is complex and is due to the type of tannin (soluble in non-CFNA varieties or insoluble in CFNAs), the flesh and the ability of the seeds to produce volatile substances during the growth of the fruit (null in CFA, intermediate in VFA and maximum in VFNA) (Sugiura, 1983).
Regards
Jose
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Hi mamuang
Now is not the time to go tourism, due to the Covid pandemic, but Spain is a really extraordinary country to visit.
I do not want to presume (it would be stupid), but my country, has a tremendous variety in every way.
You have to start from the base, that Spain is a very, very, very, very old country.
And secondly Spain has been invaded even by âthe catâ hahahahahaha, invasions that have lasted many centuries, so that in each invasion, my country gained cultural wealth, so there are interesting things in every way.
- Gastronomy (each region of my country has a gastronomy different from the others, so that for lovers of good food this is a paradise)
- Monumental (there is everything, from the most prehistoric, through the entire Middle Ages, and reaching the most modernist)
- Music and fun (this is well known worldwide ) , it is a country of hard-working people, but for our character , you can have a great time , with any Spanish ( the first to the last ) , at any time of day and in any town, from the smallest town to the biggest city, here is a party to bore hahahahaha.
- Hunting and fishing (I am a lover of both, I really like hunting, but fishing in the sea is my passion, I have a small ship and I greatly enjoy fishing large catches)
- Beaches (we have the best beaches in Europe, we have 589 beaches with the Blue flag award)
- The weather is fantastic, so you can come at any time of the year
And countless other things
Mamuang, if you come to Spain, come with your wife, we send our women to visit monuments, and we are going to enjoy ourselves in a big way hahahahaha
Regards
Jose
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âŠAhmad, on the contrary, much better if it is a lady.
Then I rectify.
Mamuang you have to come with your husband, and we sent your husband, and my wife to visit monuments.
And we two , are going to enjoy it in a big way.
I have friends in almost all regions and we can do a really incredible gastronomic and fruit route.
We can visit Burgo de Osma in the province of Soria, it eats incredibly well, it is beautiful in every way (both landscape and architecturally), and it is the largest apple plantation in the world.
We know the technicians of the plantation and they would give us a guided tour
Apple plantation of the NUFRI company (1,040 hectares) with the best varieties of apples in the world, and the most advanced cultivation systems on the planet
I have a deep friendship with Luis Aliseda (Provedo nursery manager), and we can visit Don Benito , that is a town in the province of Badajoz.
Here are several interesting things, to begin with is the cradle of the Iberian pig, I imagine that in the United States you know the delights of this pig, from the acorn-fed Gran Reserva Hams (more than 48 months of curing), to all kinds of sausages, Acorn pig is a delight, monumental and landscape is a beautiful area, and we can visit the Provedo nursery plantation, as well as its facilities, in vitro culture laboratories, and obtaining varieties, test fields, it is incredible.
This is my great friend Luis Aliseda, Provedo nursery manager
And his web
In the town of Totana, in the province of Murcia, I am very friendly with the technicians of Sat Moyca and ITUM, they are two companies that produce table grapes without seeds, really incredible.
In Totana, the gastronomy is âimpressiveâ, you are going to eat the best grilled octopus in the world, the âcalderoâ rice is typical of this region and is the non plus ultra of the seafood rices, accompanied by ali oli, is a very beautiful area to visit, it has beautiful landscapes, very good cuisine, and here you would enjoy a lot with the stone fruit plantations, and table grapes.
This is Sat Moyca, and the ITUM
http://www.moyca.org/varieties.html?id=3&i=en
http://www.itumgrapes.com/variedades/
And so we would visit the entire country, seeing the best plantations of all kinds of fruit types (from fruit trees of cold climates to tropical ones), visiting the fruit breeders of my country, and eating like authentic wolves hahahahaha.
Fortunately I am very well connected with all the people in the fruit sector of my country.
Regards
Jose
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