Brambleberry farm - rare scions you definately will want to look at - persimmons etc!

Wanted to let everyone know about a website to pick up some really hard to find scions. Unfortunately they cant ship everywhere but we can trade with each other. We need these scions in our groups lists. This is what they told me.
"There is a long list of states that require extra certifications to ship plants to. We can’t ship to Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Kansas, Mississippi, Nevada, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Washington, or outside of the continental US. "

https://www.brambleberrypermaculture.com/

Here is a link to rare persimmons, nuts, berry scions etc.

https://brambleberrypermaculture.square.site/s/order

Im on there excluded list but maybe in a few years scions will make their way around to everyone in those excluded states as we trade things around.

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I wasted 10 minutes trying to figure out what they sell. I can’t stand chaotic websites. We all know an expert is an unknown quantity released under pressure. Websites like that are what happens when someone gets released under pressure.

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Try this link and try the drop down Scion Wood: Persimmons (American) | Brambleberry Farm . I did not have any problems with the website.

@clarkinks
My interpretation is this seller does not have a valid nursery stock license.

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@Richard

You know more about it than i do. Im not familiar with the process.

Clark, I found the pages easily, what I did not find was a list of specific varieties. For example, read their black raspberry description. Sorry, you can keep that website.

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I clicked the drop down list and found it easy. Its likely a new site. Not a big deal besides i like permaculture.

Do you go to a casino and gamble with your money? If so, have fun. I never have. When I purchase a plant or graft a tree, I know for sure what I am getting. If you want to pay high dollar for seedling hickory or seedling heartnut, they sell them for a fairly high price. Neither hickory nor heartnut come true from seed. Both have very high ratios of culls vs good productive plants from seed. If I wanted to plant a bunch of hickory trees, I would get a bunch of seed nuts from LuckyP and go for it. I would not pay high dollar for a bunch of seedling trees because there is little value in them. Same for a generic black raspberry. I would pay for a known variety where traits are known. Of course, I live so far south that raspberries are rarely worth the effort.

Hmm… I’m not so sure what the hubbub is about. I found the scions and cuttings retail site fairly straightforward to navigate, although a bit awkward to find from their main site.

They are one of the few places to get Donald Compton’s American persimmon cultivars and a few of the lesser known hybrids, which is good to see since they are not very widespread and it would be good to have them being grown by more people so they don’t disappear over time. I also appreciate that they note whether they’ve fruited a cultivar they are offering scions for and have confirmed it true to type or whether they note it hasn’t been fruited and confirmed yet. Plenty of smaller sellers don’t make this important distinction.

Yes, they are a small outfit and only sell actual trees, etc. at their location, but as a source for interesting cuttings and scionwood, I’ll keep them in my bookmarks.

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@zendog

Exactly, it’s a great source for what no one can get elsewhere

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Not to be confused with the legendary Jim Fruth of Pequot Lakes MN… his farm was named Brambleberry Farm.

Anyhow… here is a tour of these folks operation…many other vids on youtube.

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I was able to find that they are officially a licensed business in Indiana under the name “Brambleberry Farm LLC”. Whether or not they are licensed as a nursery isn’t clear from the search tool I used, but at least they appear likely to be doing business legally. Their shipping restrictions are probably because they don’t want to figure out how to meet the requirements for all the states and are probably wanting to focus more on localized sales.

Edit: I just watched the video posted above which confirms they are primarily focused on producing for local sales. I also realized I know who Darren is as I have emailed with him at various times and actually just sent him scion from my ‘Pippi’ goumi so I’m sure he’ll start propagating it there as well which should be good. I would love for more small nurseries to start growing it (I just cringe at the idea of it getting picked up by a large nursery, but I’m sure it’ll happen eventually)…

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Some of the things this site is selling is stuff i know people were looking for. I clicked the type of scion and hit the drop down menu which seems super easy. My only problem was im in a state they dont ship to. Im sure it has already benefitted people to have those compton persimmon scions in stock.

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I purchased some scions from them a couple years ago. They haven’t fruited as of yet but grafted fine.

I missed my chance this year as the pawpaws there sold out within a couple hours of posting. The inventory for the web page on my computer did not properly show out of stock this time. The inventory was accurate when browsing on my phone.

They do list a lot of items as not confirmed so depending who they sourced from you do take a risk.

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@Brace

Yes they have now sold out of many things. The pawpaw it sounds like sold out quickly and i bet those rare persimmons will as well! The website was as i said a gold mine for rare varieties that are very hard to find anywhere else.

$6 scions and reasonable shipping rates

SHIPPING

We do not ship plants, only propagation material for grafting or rooting (sticks).

Due to the size of our business it is not profitable for us to ship to any states that have any sort of restrictions on importing plants. We DO NOT ship to: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Kansas, Mississippi, Nevada, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Washington, or outside of the continental US.

Shipping costs:
1-20 sticks $15
21-40 sticks $20
41-60 sticks $28
61-100 sticks $35
100+ sticks $45

Pickup:
If you prefer to pickup at the farm (Paoli, IN), we can refund your shipping cost at pickup. Go ahead and check out as if we are shipping, but write “Pickup at farm” in the address line to alert us. Message us to arrange a pickup time. We don’t keep regular hours in the winter, but we are usually around Monday-Thursday 9-5.

https://brambleberrypermaculture.square.site/shipping

What you need to know:

Update 2/1/24: We are open for orders until March 1st. Rare varieties sell out quickly, but check back next Thursday for updated inventory. We have a few things we might be able to cut more of depending on demand.

We only ship propagation material in season. We open the store for sales February 1st and close sales by March 1st. We don’t ship summer cuttings. If you’ve landed on this page looking for actual trees or plants with roots you’ve come to the wrong place. We don’t ship plants or take online orders for anything other than scion wood or cuttings (what you are ordering, to be very clear, are sticks with no roots.) Visit us at our farm to purchase plants in person. See shipping costs here

One stick of scionwood is about 11 to 12 inches long or equivalent. We will send a little extra if it’s something we have a lot of. We try to get sticks roughly around 1/4", depending on species (some species are generally bigger or smaller than that). If you order multiple sticks we will send a mix of sizes. You should usually be able to get at least three grafts per stick. Some species that have very long internodes are an exception, but if possible we will include a little extra for those.

On the listings of cultivars below, each one will have a C or a NC:

C denotes that we have successfully fruited this cultivar on our farm and it is confirmed as true to type

'NC denotes that this cultivar is currently too young to fruit on our farm, or has failed to ripen fruit to a stage that we can confirm it being true to type. If any source of scionwood does not have a notation like this, you should assume that it is not confirmed. We are just trying to be honest and help prevent mix-ups that sometimes occur with scionwood sales and trading. We also try to keep records of where we sourced scionwood for our stock trees that we gather from, in order to further track any mix-ups that occur.

Pickup:
If you prefer to pickup at the farm (Paoli, IN), we can refund your shipping cost at pickup. Go ahead and check out as if we are shipping, but write “Pickup at farm” in the address line to alert us. Message us to arrange a pickup time. We don’t keep regular hours in the winter, but we are usually around Monday-Thursday 9-5.

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People can always shop etsy for those rare one of a kind items. :slight_smile:

I don’t know Darren and Espri, but I have emailed a couple of times, and they have answered questions. From what I gathered on their facebook page, having a web presence might not be a super high priority, so they are probably just trying to provide some benefit to people who can’t otherwise get some of the items. It’s nice they are truthful about trying to confirm varieties once they have fruited.

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I navigated their site with a tiny bit of error on my part. Glad to see younger folk getting invested.

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I have received scions from them. Came with certificate on outside of the mailing.

I had been there before that, got a bag of scions big enough to choke a horse for $20 bucks. Might have been a going out of business sale or he was just helping me out. He had them stored in cedar chips.
That’s been 5 or 6 years ago before Covid and rampant inflation.

I recon I have Autumn 2 that was labeled DEC LG Morris Burton no X. I haven’t confirmed that. Not mad if it is,(I did get a couple that weren’t released yet that day) it’s not the first mislabeled thing I’ve grown. He got them from Don so who knows? At least they owned up to it.

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I’ve spoken with the owner a year or two ago. I can’t speak to what he sends, but he was very honest with me. I had a bunch of small rootstock and was looking for scions. I thought about driving there as well to pick up a few things. Rather than sell me scions, he said I should just hold out and grow the rootstock out. I could decide in the coming years what I wanted. There would likely be more varieties and more information about which hybrid persimmons to get too. It probably would have been easier for him to just sell me whatever I asked about.

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I talked with him over email and he seems like a good guy.

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