Hello everybody,
I am growing several cultivars of Goumi.
In the picture you can see some of them in comparison.
I as well have measured the Brix levels:
Daiougoumi 12 Brix
Bigaard B2 16.5 Brix
AM1 Seedling 16.5 Brix
Guthulska 17 Brix
Cheriffic 19 Brix
Borinka-2 20 Brix
Obukhivska 21 Brix
Moneron 21 Brix
The smaller the berry the sweeter the juice, therefore the bigger fruited cultivars show less to no astringency.
Best wishes from Austria
I as well made videos comparing the cultivars
Given the lack of astringency, do you enjoy the bigger cultivars more than the smaller ones?
Actually Daiougoumi is really superior to most of my other cultivars in regards to the eating experience.
But I really enjoy Borinka-2 when it is very ripe as well, as it has a lovely flavor and gets very sweet. Bigaard B2 has a very complex flavor too.
I am anyway working on that and try to select good seedlings.
Can you do a comparison in size between Daiougoumi vs Carmine/Tillamook? I’m mostly interested in a size comparison. A taste comparison would also be good.
@Austrian_FruitNut I posted your video in the other Goumi thread a couple days ago: Goumi fruit - #319 by Cgardener. It is cool to see that you are doing the trial and keeping notes on brix, fruit size, and taste. It would also be nice to know fruit and pit weight. Do you also have sweet scarlet? I saw in one of the videos that you have Carmine but that it did not fruit for you this year. It would definitely be interesting to see how those two compare in size and brix to your other cultivars.
Unfortunately not yet. I have a grafted Carmine plant in its second year now. It flowered but did not produce any fruits this year. I guess next year I will be able to compare them.
@Cgardener thanks a lot for sharing the video 
I am want to create more content about Goumis like this in the future. Especially about seedling qualities.
This year I am not able to compare the pit sizes, as most cultivars are (almost) done but I keep it in mind for the next season. As well I will document the 10 fruit weight then.
Hopefully Carmine will produce fruits next year so I can include it to my trials. As it is growing on the same rootstock as Bigaard B2, I am expecting very promissing Seedlings from the BB2 seeds.
BB2 by the way should be an open pollinated seedling of ‘Monez’.
I have SC growing at a different plot. It was already done when I measured the Brix levels. The 2 plots I am growing at are about 150 km apart from each other. As well in the plot where SC is growing everything is 2 - 3 weeks earlier than at my home base garden in Carinthia, Austria (550m, 6B).
The other garden is in Styria, Austria (350m, 7B) in an very urban environment.
Here is a foto of Daiougoumi, Sweet Scarlet and another seedling:
Here is a comparison from Denmark June 28.
Daiougoumi tastes better than Carmine but Carmine is an unbelievable heavy producer.
Bigaard B7 is another good Monez seedling similar in size to Bigaard B2.
I like the taste of Sweet Scarlet when they are fully ripe but the fruits are few and small at my location.
In 2023 the berry size was reduced by at least 1/3 due to drought in May and June.
The average size of the Daiougoumi fruits was about 5,2 g this year (2024 is my first year with Daiougoumi).
Awesome Michael
Thanks for sharing!
So cool that Daiougoumi is already producing for you.
It is clear now that Daiougoumi and Carmine are different cultivars. Besides of the fruit size, they as well have different colored petals.
What is your experience with the texture of the big fruited cultivars?
@Austrian_FruitNut awesome!! How do you stratify and germinate the seeds?
How can you hand pollinate?
I would like to try crossing Carmine with Daiougoumi in the future.
The most important thing is to keep the seed moist. Never let it dry out!
I just put them straight into soil and then leave the pots outside until march/april. Then I take them in and they germinate.
Next Goal is to cross Daiougoumi and Carmine.
I do not hand pollinate, I locate the cultivars that I want to cross close to each other.
But hand pollination should not be a big deal with cultivars that need cross pollination
12 brix just doesn’t sound sweet enough unless we’re talking watermelon or something like that. Those Daiougoumi are huge though. I look forward to future of goumi, they seem to have great promise.
I understood on one of your videos that you are using E. Umbrellata as rootstock? what is the advantage vs a E. multiflora seedling?
It is just very convenient for me. The seeds germinate easier and quicker than those of E. multiflora and as well I can buy thick rootstocks for 80ct a piece at a German nursery.
In my opinion E. umbellata rootstocks increase the growth in Goumies. But I have no empirical evidence for this yet. Anyway, they are very compatible with each other.
It is important to graft them low. After 4 years they rarely send shoots from the roots anymore.
welcome Austrian_FruitNut!
this is an outstanding post. I had no idea there were so many more varieties, you’re growing and identifying so many. Nice work. I watched both vids.
let me know if you’re shipping seeds of the Daiougoumi or AM1 Seedling to the States.
My two varieties:
Tillamook : very young plant. fruited last yr for the first time but this year, i believe they’re fruiting at full size.
Sweet Scarlet: a mature plant. insane amount of fruit this year, but smaller fruits than i remember.
side-by-side pic is below
i made a vid listing the 15 reasons the Goumi is the best fruiting shrub BUT, you’ll see the SS’s production within seconds of the vid. Tillamook is at 1:39.
Amazing! Subbed to you to follow along!
Hello @Austrian_FruitNut !
Where do you get your plants? I have been disappointed with my orders from Czech and Slovak nurseries. If they list E.multiflora at all, they don’t have varieties, but likely just seedlings. All 3 of my alleged goumis are probably umbellatas or hybrids - the fruits are still the size of autumn olives… Can you recommend a nursery that sends plants?
The big fruited cultivars have a big problem: They are too soft.
So they don’t keep well and rain can be a problem.
Anyone have or tried Catherine’s Find? I successfully grafted and rooted the cuttings I got from Marta. My Carmine grafts failed. I have Sweet Scarlet that is very prolific and tasty(to me) but it will probably be a while before I taste a bigger fruited variety.
