It makes sense that these persimmons would grow more quickly in your region than in mine. They are native there. It gets cool at night here, even in the summer. We have low humidity and very little rain in the summer. We get way fewer heat units than you do. All of those things are foreign to these trees. It might be useful to others trying to figure out how big their trees will get to see if their climate is more similar to yours or mine.
John S
PDX OR
Anything from this list iffy in zone 5b (near hour east of Ithica NY)?
Because of late ripening pretend? Or hardiness of the hybrid?
I’d worry more about late ripening.
I’m in Z7A borderline 6B. Kasandra ripens here, but just barely. I bring a lot indoors. My one crop of JT-02 ripened entirely indoors after picking in early Nov. I just grafted Nikita’s Gift but I’m doubtful that out will ripen here.
Your Americans should be hardy enough. I think some of your hybrids will be vulnerable to cold.
Hi Trev,
That’s impressive growth! The Rich Tooie seeds you sent last fall have not yet germinated. I water them weekly but still in suspense!
I did get five seeds from my nephew who live near Somerville to germinate last spring, they grew about 6” but during the winter even though I had them well dug in, only two survived, but they are still tiny critters. I wondering what my best tactic might be to get them to grow enough to graft next spring. They must be 60 chromosome types, but I was surprised yesterday when the tips of the one on the left were beginning to scorch, so I brought both into a new place that receives only morning sun. The one on the right had died back to soil level over winter, but now springing back, so I think that might explain the foliage shape difference since their seeds were from same tree?
Also the color on that one is not healthy, so I need to determine what is deficient. Can you send me the link you posted recently on diagnosing persimmon nutrients by leaf color? I may try reporting these with more compost in the mix and adding some Holytone. Any tips are aporeciated.
Dennis
Kent, wa
@DennisD … the year that I grew those rich tooie from seed… I had a 16" wide by 10" deep planter pot… that spring summer early fall… I had grown some mexican sunflower in… they started going down hill early fall and I cut them out.
That planter pot I had filled with a mix of homemade compost and dirt from my garden. I most likely included a custom mix of organic fertilizer too… bone meal, blood meal, gypsum, epsom salt, greensand.
But that would have been done that spring… and I did not plant the rich tooie seeds in that pot until around mid October.
I ate some of her persimmons and immediatly planted 3 seeds in that pot after eating.
I put that pot in the edge of my woods and left it all winter… never watered it or did anything special. The next spring all 3 seeds germinated. I grew 2 of those out that season… and yes… one grew 42 inches and the other 36.
I remember early summer they were growing well… and then the new growth started coming out with a yellow tint to it. I asked about that here and someone said they most likely were suffering from some type of micronutrient defficiency.
I made a couple of 5 gal buckets of compost tea… and included in that tea some blood meal, bone meal, gypsum, epsomsalt, greensand…
I let that sit for a week or so… and then watered them with that compost tea + micronutrient mix… they greened up nicely in about a week and grew well the rest of the season.
Not really anything all that special done… just normal growing for me. I think I may just have ideal climate for persimmons. They litterally do grow like weeds here.
Part of my field is being mowed every 2 weeks now… and just before he mows it again… I can go out there and find persimmon shoots 7-8 inch tall already. Truly growing like weeds.
TNHunter
Sounds like a nice recipe! If you have any volunteers that you can identify in you pasture this winter I could certainly pay to get a few!
Dennis
@DennisD … I dug up one nice little 4 ft wild persimmon late winter this year and transplanted it to my daughters place. I has kassandra growing on it now and first scaffold branches developing.
It was quite the task to dig that thing up… not sure I could do that and charge even a friend a price they might consider reasonable.
Especially when I saw that BRN had some nice persimmon rootstock on sale this spring for 8.00 each.
I have had good luck with BRNs russian mulberry rootstock… lawson dawson and kip parker grafts growing likeweeds.
You might try their persimmon rootstocks… I sure cant get close to competing with their prices.
PS… was out in the orchard this morning putting cages on persimmon and mulberry… and found this.
That field was mowed 3 weeks ago today at 4" height… and there is a foot tall persimmon shoot out there now.
I normally have it mowed every other week… but we had some extremely hot and dry weather the last few weeks… and skipped mowing last week.
Now of course those persimmon shoots that come up in my fields already have established rootsystems… so they can and do grow like weeds.
TNHunter
Thanks Trev!
BRN Is not one I know of, could you spell it out for me. That price seems very reasonable if they are 60 chromosome rootstocks which I have read grow faster than the northern cousins. When I Google BRN I get California Board of nurses, so I need you spell the name, I may also try the Missouri department of conservation again, last fall I was too late and they ran out before I ordered!
Dennis
Burnt Ridge
This is largely a misnomer. Sun and heat is a big part of that. If you don’t have those, it won’t matter. It just so happens that the area where 60 chromosome grow natively has sun/heat. Also, as with walnuts, I believe northern persimmon can either have more of a timber habit, or more of a fruiting habit. There has been zero effort that I know of that focuses on producing northern rootstock that have the timber habit (happy to hear otherwise).
Here is an example of a northern persimmon grown in sun/heat. Like corn with bark. I can almost hear it growing. Started from seed in 2021 (three years ago). No special care beyond sun/heat other than water the first summer (and a little black fabric to keep weeds back about 1’). I severely topped it last year because I didn’t want it getting too tall before I grafted it or before it put on more diameter (otherwise it would be much taller) to somewhat withstand tornadoes (no, not joking about that).
Thanks John,
It does for certain have a good growth habit! From where did you obtain your rootstock? I’m checking several nurseries but most are out of stock and have not responded.
Dennis
It was seed started. I’m just doing a bunch of experimentation. I was planning to graft everything, but have been impressed with the growth of some, and am thinking of leaving some of the best growers to make seeds… although I might end up with only males.
I have two DV seedlings that grew only 6” last year so I repotted them gave them a lot more micronutrients and a full day sun exposure. One actually got sun scorched on its leaf tips, so I pulled them back into a shaded place where they get sun until noon to hopefully get adjusted. I would like to graft them next spring, but at this rate of growth it may take several more years to get to 3/8” diameter! If I can find a reliable source I will order a few for grafting.
Dennis
I bought DV rootstock from Burnt Ridge many years ago. They were cheap but tiny. Fortunately, I wasn’t very good at grafting them, so they kept growing up. 
I eventually made some nice fruiting trees out of them: Yates, H-118, and Garretson.
John S
PDX OR
I had problems in my area with young persimmon getting fried. My UV isn’t as high as some places, but it’s high enough, and I wondered if persimmon aren’t adapted to that (just guessing). The humidity is often also very low along with wind. Once I started using 2’ tree tubes to protect them, I quit having so many problems with fried leaves. Once they get out of the top of the tubes, they are just fine. As an experiment, I grew a couple of persimmon in pots on an insanely hot deck one summer, and used short tree tubes and they did fine as long as I kept them watered.
I bought several of the Burnt Ridge rootstocks this spring. They were 3-4 ft tall with massive roots. However, they are taking forever to wake up. Every 2-3 weeks, one wakes up and the grafts finally start growing. I still have two with live healed in scions, but no growth yet. I think these would work much better if planted in the fall, then grafted the following spring.
Hi everyone. Hope you don’t mind me sharing my Yamoto Persimmon from North Florida. This is my first post. I am very new to growing fruit trees but I am having a ton of fun and learning a lot.
welcome! you have come to the right place to fuel your growing addiction. 
Same here. I’m glad I saw this because I’m getting close to the point of letting them grow out below the graft union so I can bud them or regraft next year. But I suppose a couple more weeks won’t hurt.
