I just ordered scion wood from England’s: F100 and Szukis. I know Szukis is a small tree. He mentioned it was a chimera. Does that mean it is highly variable? How big is the F100 tree? He mentioned that it doesn’t really have a reliable female crop.
Thanks,
John S
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Why did you order these? Are you planning some breeding g experiments? My understanding is that both of these are used primarily as the male parent / pollen source in breeding experiments.
I depends on what Cliff mean by ‘was’ …
‘Szukis’ was grown as a female and male cells mix. So technically some parts are only female and some only male. It is also possible to isolate this two genotypes by grafting so you should as Cliff what he’s growing or from which part he take scions.
I have a tree I grafted from a tree labeled Szukis in another orchard I manage. The fruit seems American, is astringent until dead ripe and rather small, even for for a U.S. cultivar. Nice flavor but best harvested from the ground. It begins to ripen at least a month before Great Wall and defoliates while my other persimmons still have healthy leaves. Does that sound like a description of Szukis?
I harvested a few fruit from Great Wall and David’s candy for the first time this year. I picked them firm in early Nov. and let them ripen indoors. They both were pretty nice once completely soft. The DC I got from Cliff. Does anyone know if this is a Kaki? When fully ripe it carries no astringency and is very sweet.
Zenji Maru and Maru where they pollinated? How was flavor?
Yes. Both Pollinated.
Zenji Maru was ok but I think late for our climate.
Maru I haven’t tasted yet. Will taste today and show photos.
If you don’t have Honan Red, get it. It’s one of the best! Maybe top 3 this year for taste among all persimmons I think.
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Thank you for sharing feedback on JT02, it is one variety I am very interested in.
Do you sell persimmon trees by any chance?
I do not currently sell persimmon trees. I’m grafting trees for friends and selling a few locally but am a long way from ever trying to ship trees through the mail.
Thank you for the reply! Did you like the honan red more than saijo? These two varieties, did they ripen the same time?
Approximately the same time.
I’m grafting over Saijo. It’s not been behaving very well for me lately.
Did you notice any splitting / cracking with saijo? I had it happen. I
Yes, some of it started cracking for me. Never happened before.
That is interesting it must be related to the rainfall we get during harvest season. Do you hachiya persimmons? I ask over in ourfigs a similar question. Which of the hybird persimmons has more Asian flavor? I didn’t detect Asian flavor in Nikita’s Gift. I tasted only American Flavor. Is it because my tree is not as mature as yours? Or is this a variety characteristic? thank you!
ramv, the vacuum sealed ones are Jiro and go in firm and come out soft? They don’t turn into liquid mess?
How aggressively are they vacuumed? Is it just the default dry setting until it seals?
Interesting, I just got my first few Saijo fruit. They didn’t come out good. Shape was variable. They mostly either didn’t color up in time or got damaged. It was just a handful. They didn’t have much flavor after being allowed to color and soften indoors.
The only persimmons I have left are my unpollinized Coffeecake. Flavor isn’t great and some are still astringent in spite of being soft and end of December.
Best this year were Matsumoto Wase, unknown Jiro probably, H118 and one of the 2 or 3 Nikita’s Gift was awesome. Izu was maybe the most plentiful and had better timing so it was a win too. I don’t like them when they are full soft due to pasty texture. But my wife ate a lot of them.
I stop it before it fully vacuums all the air out. If it let it go all the way, it might damage the fruit.
But I didn’t see any evidence of any damage when I opened the bags, still intact. Outstanding flavor- even better than when just packed.
I had the same issue this year. Fruit was smaller than usual. Did not color up on the tree well at all. Low sugar and poor texture. And several cracked.
This is after taking 2 years off from bearing.
Coffee cake is really good when pollinated. I haven’t tried the other 2 PVNA that colored up well - Mikatani Gosho and Maru. I expect they will be quite good as well.
That is interesting because some only notice Asian flavor! It is likely because of what we are expecting to taste - if you tasted an H118 just before it, you will see the Asian contrast I believe.
I ordered them because I used to have a Szukis. It tasted great and I got a ton of fruit. Since it died, I hardly have had any fruit. Maybe 5 total this year, instead of 45?
I looked at the original Claypool research, and he stressed that the male had as big of an impact on the quality of the fruit as the female. The Szukis was one of the best males. Someone on this list mentioned to me that they heard someone say that F100 was better than Szukis. So I would like to see if maybe I could have both, and get a lot of fruit again.
John S
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Surely he meant on the fruit of the offspring.
As I recall, I don’t think that’s correct. He had all of these charts, and the male was just as important as the female in the quality of the fruit. I don’t have any advanced genetics training, but that’s what I gleaned from his work.
John S
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