Just paint it black.
My three Dar Sofiyivky grafts from 2024 survived a close call when a tree fell on New Year’s Day. Thankfully, God perfectly placed the downed tree!
and they’re off to a good start:
All my in-ground persimmons are showing nice progress. The potted ones are late to wake up - they still look dormant with no signs of growth yet.
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visiting japan with family.
Thee are persimmons everywhere
Groing in parking lot beside irrigation river
And in front of ppl house.
I am surprised how prevalence they are in Tokyo suburban.
Becouse they are preety neglected and no sighs of grafting i assume they are wild or atleast volunteer persimmons
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Will grafting dormant scions onto green rootstock wood have any chance of success? I expect a lot of wild dv sprouts this summer
That’s my preferred way to graft and in my opinion, that’s the best way to graft most things. I’ve done it with persimmons, jujube, kiwis, and grapes.
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Grafting on green wood has a high take rate for me also.
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I started grafting my persimmons today, 5/9/25. Here are 2 of my wild American male persimmons that spring up everywhere in my field. I mow my field a few times each year, but I let about 6 persimmons grow for the last several years. This photo is before I beheaded them today.
Then I did bark grafts of DEC Goliath to the first one shown below.
Then I did bark grafts of Dollywood to the second tree after beheading.
The second tree had black areas noted in the inner wood when I sawed it off, but the tree looks healthy. I have seen some mention SDS and black lines related to it, but did not know if the black areas were only in the leaves or also inside the trunk/branches. This is what the black areas looked like.
Hopefully that is just normal persimmon wood, but if it is the fungal infection that causes SDS, I don’t think it should affect DEC Goliath or Dollywood, based on what I have read. I also have scion wood of Rosseyanka which might be affected by an infected American persimmon still to graft and 4 other trees in the field to graft to. I suspect they are all suckers of each other as they are all male and there are hundreds in the adjoining field to mine that is rarely mowed. Perhaps some type of clonal colony if that is the term?
Or maybe that black wood is some other weird issue. I don’t know. Anyway, I hope it is nothing and I really hope some of my grafts take.
Sandra
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Does anyone know how many years after grafting D. virginiana starts bearing fruits? I ordered Mohler and H-120 varieties, but these are young plants, propagated last summer. Hybrids supposedly bear fruits even the next season after grafting, but what about this species?
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I took a drive and bought a small Dollywood persimmon. This grower has 35 named cultivars all parthenocarpic. What a selection. Some even had blossoms. Trees only 18 inches and small caliper.
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Trees grafted with scion of bearing age trees bear quickly. Scion that is past the juvenile stage.
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Depends on the variety, age/size/genetics of rootstock, how vigorously it grows, and various other factors known only to the persimmon trees. Generally speaking, you’re looking at 3-5 years for all types (American,
Asian, hybrid) unless grafting to a fairly large, established rootstock. In that case it’s probably just 1-2 years. Occasionally one will go rogue and fruit the first year on a tiny rootstock.
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@ansayre. Well that does make me feel a bit better. I did not know the native persimmon have a black core. I beheaded two more wild American male persimmons today and both had the black circle toward the center of the wood. I noticed this not only on the trunk wood but also on approximately 1 inch thick branches I removed. Both trees seemed quite healthy.
I grafted Rosseyanka hybrid to both of those trees, so hopefully there will be no disease issue that takes it out.
Thanks for the information.
Sandra
another year, another pair of persimmon bare root that will not bud out. one of my batch was stolen right out of the ground and the others are not waking up. this is my third year trying, these were from burnt ridge and all else I got from them is flourishing right now. last year was stark bros I think and the first year, peaceful valley and one from OGW
all American persimmon and all planted same as any other bare root, watered as needed through the spring. 3 went in the fall the rest planted in spring.
this year’s failures were planted one in the fall, one early spring this year.
even my pawpaw from the same order is in leaf now. jujube too.
if there is some special magic ingredient I’m missing putting in American persimmon please someone let me know. it’s so many failed now I may call it quits though their one of my favorites to eat. I’ve put in prok, Yates (?) and another American
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did they happen to look like this? only one of mine is showing any signs of life at this point.
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My second spring in ground American persimmons are growing like crazy!! I’m excited. On the other hand my chuchupaka hybrid is showing zero sign of waking up. The scion is alive, so I’m a little baffled as to what’s going on. Is it possible the rootstock it’s grafted to died?
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Thanks for your answers. Can I safely plant such young plants in the ground, or would it be better to plant them in pots and wait two years? I’m worried about their frost resistance. Recent winters in Poland have been quite chaotic. Long periods of warming when there should be frost, and then returns to winter conditions. According to the map, I live on the border of zones 5b and 6a.
Please keep those labeled very well to confirm fruit characteristics in the future for all of our benefit! As you know there is some controversy on this topic but I think it has been mostly sorted out.
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Scratch test just confirmed that my 6 year old chocolate persimmon did not survive the winter. Only upside is ill have a nice rootstock to graft onto.
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Low temps? The data would be useful. Thx.