Philly Urban Rooftop Garden + Orchard! 7a/b

Hi all! I’ve found so much good info in this community and thought it might be cool to share what I’m doing.

I decided when I moved into my own place after a relationship broke up (among other problems he was controlling about my gardening) to go full-on midlife crisis with my gardening dreams, which has been present throughout my life. When I was a kid I used to spend hours with my mom’s Burpee catalog reading and designing gardens. However I’ve lived a lot of my life on the road or in cities. I love both cities and nature, and while probably one day I’ll end up in the middle of nowhere homesteading I don’t want to wait any longer while doing my city life, and figured to go whole ham. Worse comes to worst I run out of space and sell things and up-pot what’s left. I picked my apartment bc it had this huge deck on the roof of the next building over, 10x24. No buildings blocking sun, it’s crazy! Unobstructed light from the E, W and S. There is a south-facing brick wall the deck is connected to which creates a little microclimate there, seems to block a little of the NW winds as well.

I’ve got a ton of projects coming along and things planted out since last fall (2025) or in the mail to be planted shortly.

I managed to buy 6 greenstalk planters all on big sales, this is where I’ll be growing the bulk of my veggies and also my strawberries. Can’t stop won’t stop: I got Old North Sea (etsy) and Quinault (Scenic Hill) last fall. Most but not all of these made it through our crazy winter (the ONS fared worse) so I decided to grab a couple more each of Mary’s Peak, Puget Crimson, Shuksan, and Albion. These will fill up most of 1 greenstalk. Love that I can order just 5 or 10 crowns if I want from SH.

I also am obsessed with figs, got some from Anthony (check out his lil suburban setup, it’s awesome!) in the NE: CLBC, VdB, Teramo, Barbillone, Paradiso Bronze (it’s a AJH type), Smith, Olympian. I’ll probably trade/sell that, it was a bonus one. I also managed to snag a tiny rooted Green Michurinska for just $5 recently from a guy in South Jersey, keep an eye out each spring! He had 50 but he told me collectors snagged most, I got the last one). They are all in 1-5 gal pots depending on how old they are. I don’t think I’ll ever do more than 10 gal with them but realistically will probably keep it at 5. I’d rather have more varieties than a massive tree.

I also managed to get a Top Hat and a Pink Lemonade blueberry from a pollinator/native plants nursery near me.

I love berries so I started getting into trouble with those :slight_smile:. I’d done well with things from Scenic Hill in the past so I have gotten the following from them last fall: Cascade Gold, Joan J, Columbia Star. I also already had a Glencoe from a local nursery that survived my ex’s place. The Cascade Gold took some cold damage this winter though seems to be alive at the base. So OFC I decided to order another yellow, Honey Queen (supposedly more cold hardy? and a different flavor I guess?) and why not a thornless Boysenberry while I was at it? I also grabbed Shekinah (Tehi) on an order from Raintree since I had not seen a thornless black raspberry before. These are all in 5 gal grow bags for now and other than Cascade Gold are doing really well. Also I grabbed a Red Candy lingonberry which seems super happy in my “shade” area (the ostrich ferns didn’t seem as happy there, but let’s see if they come back)

Well I guess the long winter got to me so I started dreaming of other stuff. I love persimmon and decided to give Cardinal a try, which is supposed to be smaller. It supposedly grows slowly so I figured why not get started. I was originally discouraged to grow persimmon in a pot by this local nursery but bored this winter said F it why not. BUT that place DID let me grab a couple pomegranates, I’m also obsessed with them and was lucky to travel for a summer in the ‘stans a decade ago. I have a Salavatski and a K5 that seem very happy so far. And they did “mystery” currants, looks like I picked up a Red Lake.

While I was at it (One Green World) I figured hey let’s try some crazy stuff! I saw a columnar peach (Crimson Rocket) and got that, and took advantage of their citrus selection to get a Miho Wase mandarin (a local guy said he does well with them here) and a Sudaichi (more limey than yuzu, I’m into it). Also got a Korelle lingonberry to help my Red Candy out (tho my RC looks super vigorous and has already gotten fruit)

I learned that mini dwarf roostock were a thing while researching the columnar peach. Raintree had lots of plants growing on these, well you know what came next. Ordered a Liberty (localish guy James Prigioni- growing near where I grew up in Jersey- raves about these) and a Hudson’s Golden Gem (HGG is supposed to taste more pear like which I prefer over apples) on EMLA 27. Grabbed one last blueberry (Draper) while I was at it.

OFC then Raintree sent out a promo to add on extra trees to your order with free shipping…I decided on a Craig’s Crimson on Newroot which was the only minidwarf cherry they still had. Hope it ends up self-fruitful, seems mixed on the internet. I read the Black/White Gold do well out East so if they are in stock next year I’ll try for them.

I have sourced most of my pots either as fabric grow bags or off of fb marketplace for cheap. In the beginning with my greenstalks and first few trees (other than blue/lingons, I got a special mix for those) I was using Ocean Forest + extra perlite but now I’m shifting to cococoir + compost (free in Philly!) + perlite + osmocote to keep it more affordable.

OK well that’s what I’ve been up to for now! Off to get more compost and plant in strawberries, the Honey Queen, and purple passion asparagus (yes, yet another crazy container project)

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Also for those curious: I don’t have a great setup to bring figs in. I’m on the 3rd/4th floors and have no basement access. My deck came with a huge shed that I was going to insulate and put the figs/poms in. Then life happened and I didn’t have time, so I just brought them in my apartment which I kept at 60F for the most part (I prefer this temp actually and am unsure my thermostat is accurate anyways). Whoops, they all woke up way too early. I’ve finally put them outside today now that things are warming up.

It has now occurred to me I could have put them in this huge utility closet behind my bed which would at least have got them in the dark, oh well! Next year. On the plus side they were in front of the south facing door (full glass) facing the deck/south so everything has breba on it. In Philly, in late March, what? Some have dropped but I might get a few! Anyway all of my figs and poms survived the coldest winter in decades in pots in my apartment, I’ll take the win.

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It is completely unfair to list all those wonders in a small space and not give us any pictures :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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If interested in fruit growing … join the BYFG.ORG (its like $15 for 2 years i think). we have a fall tasting every year in Lancaster that you can try like a 100+ different apples/fruits in 1 sitting (mostly 95% apples haha but still fun).
Let me know if you want to try anything like maypop passionfruit or purple tomatoes… i have extra seedlings of those in a month.

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thanks looks cool. Most of the meetups look like Saturdays though? I work then :confused:
I am curious about maypop but really truly running out of space.
I am only growing dwarf and micro dwarf tomatoes so not sure what you have will work. I’m growing dwarf wild fred for purple so hopefully it’s covered. however i started my seeds v late so if you do have a dwarf lmk!

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@PlantingOaks I forgot I could do pictures! I will try to get something up later today. A lot of the things are on order still and I need to get rid of this giant shed the deck came with still.

Actually what I want to do is make an IG or youtube and take video with my poor narration lol. Maybe I will get to it, one day.

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Yes i know i gotta water but just chilling with a cold beverage after work for a bit

Many of my fruit trees are on the way still but my figs and poms are up against the south facing wall

My potatoes are just starting to pop up and a couple of my berries look close to flowering! (Actually currant and goose already has been for a week or so)

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I lied the loganberry already started blooming (i ordered boysen recently and they sent me this bonus by mistake!)

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Well well well, the boysen (also ordered recently) is also starting to bloom. V happy with these (from Scenic Hill Farm Nursery). The ones I ordered from them last fall are also looking v vigorous except for Columbia Star which took cold damage and doesn’t seem to be doing anything (few weeks ago I saw green when I scratched but now seems dead. PS that was Columbia Star that took the damage not Cascade Gold so ofc I’ll need to get a new blackberry one of these days….)

I may or may not have taken advantage of Raintree’s BOGO sale so we will see what happens soon. They are shipping end of month which feels too late but idk…

Well it’s been 2 weeks, I was out of town the whole time. Things are doing well though excepting my greens tower which unfortunately is in the SW corner, my pak choi at the top sprouted and a lot of others are super wilty. I feel like a lot of my gs towers are doing a poor job getting water down past the 3rd level.

My potatoes are going nuts, they are now 1’+ tall. My purple passion asparagus is finally starting to come up after a couple weeks planted. Yay they are not dead yet lol.

I have fruit starting to form on cascade gold, joan j, boysenberry, and loganberry. Also on some strawberries which at this point I totally have mixed and matched and unsure what’s where exactly. But I think it’s more the Old North Sea and Quinault which I planted last fall. Glencoe purple rasp is nothin doing though lots of greenery. I had flowers on my red lake currant and my unknown gooseberry but maybe something ate them? there are only a few berries forming.

I actually quit my job right before my trip and started my own business, and it’s looking to be slow so I have more time for gardening at the moment since I got most of the biz stuff set up at this point. Which is great because I have a billion trees n stuff arriving this week from Raintree and OGW. Last buys I promise for forseeable future!

My tasks this week are selling this shed taking up valuable real estate, heading to the recycling center for more compost to make more soil, getting pots ready for the trees and then getting them in.

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Well, was hoping to have the awesome news that my order from OGW came today, instead the news is that my box was delivered, and then stolen. The thief DID however leave a separate box I ordered elsewhere with tomato fertilizer in it, and that got brought inside the building.

I’m just devastated. Already bad news after I found out my Hudson’s Golden Gem from Raintree got cancelled due to crop failure. This is the one area of my life that I find hope/joy in and I’m so sad, I’ve been pumped for trees delivery days for weeks and weeks. I guess best case scenario is they get reordered and delivered again? But I guess the same issue could happen. It’s a pretty safe neighborhood so I’m just really confused what happened, I’ve had no issues before even with tons of boxes- for my new business, for all the greenstalks I have, for various plants and bits/bobs here and there.
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How well do those vertical pot columns work?

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I’m really sorry about the tree package. Nursery packages are pretty obvious, very bizarre theft. Does your buildings security cameras show the theft? I have thought a package here or there was stolen and then realized they were delivered to some neighbors house instead.

My wife has those green stalks, same color even, she loves them. She also has the lids and the wheeled turntable base for both of hers. I think this is growing season 4 for them and we have had zero issues with them, even being outside over winter.

I have to give an applaud to @dizzy here. Way to encourage others :+1:

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Is there a deck rail planter you like more than others? I’m building a small deck garden for my mom and just want to add two for salads.

Second question- I just got and filled a 5 tier greenstalk. It’s much more substantial than I expected. But, how much do the bottom tiers get shaded?

LOL I’m in a Philly rowhome there are no security cameras
The picture is definitely the building I’m in and there was another pkg delivered same time that made it inside, so who knows. I put a post up in the local neighborhood group for people to keep an eye out if it got discarded on the side of the road somewhere.

I just got whatever was cheap on fb marketplace. They all seem really good so far! They fit right over the rail, I was worried but they all fit perfectly

Oh about the bottom tiers, I don’t notice too much but I get extreme sun, so. I have them on spinners and rotate them once or twice a week

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YOU GUYS!!!

The box magically showed up today. I do not understand, but I will take it. It was opened but thankfully everything was inside. It is really confusing as the picture from fedex clearly showed the building I’m in, and something else was delivered the same time, was in the pic, and made it in the building, but anyways glad someone had remorse and returned it.

The columnar peach is soaking its roots and I’ve already potted the sudachi, the miho wase, the cardinal persimmon (heard so many meh things but this one looks nicely shaped and vigorous), and the koralle lingonberry. I’ll get some pics in the morning since it’s 0 dark 30 now.

ALSO ALSO I sold that shed over the weekend, moved my greens greenstalk over to the NE corner, they are definitely more happy now. Picked all my bokchoy that bolted but they were still tasty. Feeling encouraged overall.

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I planted a Cardinal Persimmon two days ago! Don’t remember if I posted about it or not! I haven’t heard anyone really talking about it. I had to snatch it though 'cause the persimmons I have already will probably never produce (anything I want). It was on sale AND it is the non-astringent type that my husband will just about make himself sick from eating too much. Haha


It’s about knee high.

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