Funny you should say that i was thinking it had some harbin genetics Differentiate between Siberian and Callery Pear?
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@clarkinks, I don’t see the distinctive brown husks in @IL847 's tree like the Harbin you mentioned in your linked thread.
If it does have harbin genetics, it lost that brown husk trait.
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Look at some of these hybrids of callery The next step in pear rootstocks is clearly callery or gmo
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Is it possible that this tree grow decent fruits? I’m thinking, use central lead trainingsystem, just do chip budding, save the main trunk as is
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Few pictures of what I consider “callery” seedlings from my orchard. Abuting my property, there are many calleries trees planted ornamentally 20 years ago for a nearby community. Many seedlings show up now on my property, and they could even be several generations removed from original planted callery trees. There are also at least one mature euro pear (I would guess Seckel) on my property as well that could have added to gene pool of these seedlings. They look quite similar to @IL847 's pictures.
Seedling 1
Seedling 2
Since there was confusion regarding apricot, here’s the leaves of Summer Delight Aprium. Although the leaves look similar, everything else about it is distinct. Notice the frill like growth at the nodes and “glands” (not sure if right term) on the leaf petiole on the Apricot.
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Interesting your callery look great but are also hybrids. That is what many here look like. No wonder people get such good results when grafting these over they are not true callery. Some of the ones i grafted were terribly incompatible with other pears. @Richard mentioned many true callery are fireblight magnets which can be true. Some had no resistance at all. They also can be invasive and cause problems in certain areas. It is to bad they became a problem. The callery that escaped are very resistant to fireblight in some areas like mine. They pick up genetics as they reproduce. A ledbetter pear as an example does not get fireblight. If they cross the result will be callery with no fireblight on half the seedlings. The fireblight susceptible types died and the resistant types reproduced again. Each time they get hardier! Many of you will see no fireblight on callery. The seedling here seldom have fireblight symptoms now. There are callery here covered in fireblight like Richards experience.
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Yes, they’re certainly not genetically identical to the the original cultivar of planted ornamental trees. The seedlings still have pea sized fruit, thorns, and the leaves are very similar to original cultivar, so I consider the seedlings also be “callery”. I grafted over 3 so far, and I keep discovering more seedlings.
I’ve not seen any FB issues w/ seedlings on my property or the ones along the road. As you said, the disease susceptible ones are naturally culled and out competed by the ones that are resistant…
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My tree above is in the mid of big forsythia bush. Since you helped identified it is a pear tree(many thanks), I am going to graft pear and trim the bush to lower bush to give more sunlight to the pear.
Here is another plant that I tried to be identified for years, it was also identified as a apricot but I doubt it is.
It grows under shade of 8’ Carmine jewel.
Here are the pictures. Hope you guys help me identify it once for all. thanks
Another Asian pear? Or apple, crabapple?
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Apples and pears usually have very smooth skin on young wood. Smooth to the touch. Your picture shows skin with rougher texture than I expect for Malus/Pyrus.
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This one grows under the shade of the Carmine jewel and I have never taken care of it. So it is possible had/ have some bark diseases. Bark was chewed by rabbit this winter too.
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Sometimes smell / taste could also help in identifying. You could try to crush the leaves between tree#1 and tree#2 and smell or taste it to determine if they’re the same.
Also, any thorns on tree#2?
I can crush peach leafs to identified peach tree because peach leafs have certain aroma. But I can’t use leaf scent to identified pear or other fruit trees ( except black currant leafs)
No thorns
Sorry not confident in what #2 is. Maybe taking some pictures when it’s dry might help.
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I prefer to rely solely on my experience and knowledge, but I did resort to the use of Google Lens for the first of the images from today. The most likely result that I saw was an indication of crabapple.
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More pictures. Background flowers are Carmine jewel cherry flowers.vthis little tree has not bloomed yet.
2nd pair of pictures you gave looks like Malus, which have such burgundy colored 1 year wood and more dull young leaves (as compared to more glossy/waxy appearance of pear leaves).
I agree with @Audi_o_phile , it could definitely be a crabapple. I have a crabapple tree and the serrations are not as sharp as the ones shown in your pictures, but it may be cultivar differences. All the apple trees I have, have young leaves that appear fuzzier/wollier, while my crabapple leaf is more slick to the touch.
I think you can definitely try grafting apple onto the 2nd tree.
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