Unfortunately it is permanent. If you look above other people had problems when they were running win 7.
Like with win 7 there are some possible solutions. The best one I can find is to install the Orion browser. It has a User Agent setting which lets you pretend to be a later OS. Pick something like the latest Safari from that list. There could be glitches since it is not fully compatible.
A glitch that is purely cosmetic that I did not see before the upgrade:
In W11 desktop computer > MS Edge browser > growingfruit login page > password field
After first password character is entered, a “CBS eye” symbol appears at the right side of the entry box, to give the user the option to see the entered characters.
(This symbol is commonly found in many website login processes)
At growingfruit, two symbols appear, overlapped. After clicking, it reverts to one symbol as normal. Probably not worth the time to dig through the code to find the ghost eye source.
Does not happen in Chrome or in Firefox.
How about something like this 
I don’t know if we will implement the multiple reactions, it’s 56-44 in favor now (closer than at the start) but it seems there are more strong negatives than strong positives. The way it hung the site when I tried it before also has me concerned that it might break things.
Thanks Scott, it was just a suggestion anyways.
Something that changed for me on a Chrome/Windows 11 browser is that a comment used to show 2 windows, one to type in and another that was a preview pane. Now, the preview pane is no longer present. Is this what I should expect, or is there a way to call up the preview pane? Thanks.
@vitog Win 7 Supermium browser is the same. The M+ button will give you the preview back.
Right, this is the new WYSIWYG editing mode. If you turn it off it seems to remember your decision for the next time you post. It’s the “M↓ A” button in the upper left that toggles it on and off. Or just type control-M.
But why? I know mobile apps go incompatible, but websites themselves? I tried the Chrome browser as well as the default Safari and neither works. At least this Android on a Tracfone still works.
My ios15 never has had such a problem with any other website.
What they say is it’s too much work to write all the code to retain compatibility with older operating systems. Still it seems like they could do better. In looking around there are many sites that no longer support iOS 15 but nearly all of them at least have some functionality. Only the Slack website won’t work at all apparently.
I don’t believe it has been said yet, so I’ll jump in and be the bad guy 
Windows 7 went end-of-life over six years ago…
Chrome stopped supporting it at version 109 almost 4 years ago…
My suggestion would be to ditch that virus-loving relic and upgrade. If you can’t afford to or just don’t want to upgrade the hardware.. Dump Windows only. Those of us who did so 20+ years ago have never looked back, never regretted it.
Yeah, we went from windows 7 to Linux and that worked really well. If you’re not good at figuring out new layouts there are types of Linux programs that have almost identical layout of the windows 7.
You’re not really being a bad guy here. We do know this. but Windows 7 was the last Windows operating system that even pretended to be accurate (Win 98 was the last one that actually was) and going end of life did not stop it being a stable machine. It’s virus-loving habits mostly were based in two groups of people. Those who went places they knew they shouldn’t or didn’t look before they leaped into junk-mail scams, and those who used the big-name virus softwares that put a lot of effort into finding vulnerabilities in order to prevent their exploitation, which means they were creating most of the viruses that others used against us. From Win 8 forward, the importance for windows has not been to serve us but to render us the actual products. The newer softwares are extremely good at two things: mining our data to sell it to those who can try to make us super consumers AND render us dependent on forced updates and upgrades that completely undermine the actual value that computers used to provide.
I want to switch to Linux on a machine, but if the browsers used will still be constantly changing such that I still have to constantly upgrade and have my data mined to target me, it is not worth the added time to stay ahead of it. Those who love such tinkering have been doing it since before the current corporate games became king of the web, so I do not trust that the switch would actually serve what I expect out of a computer. ultimately, I should be able to set it up and never, ever have to upgrade, and there really is no reason new software and usages cannot adjust themselves to the gold standard instead of forcing the definition of gold to change into something that serves someone else. The computer should be the product, not the computer user. There have been some huge advances for users, but there has been a heckuva lot more advancement for capitalism. I remember when SEO was coming out to make it easier to find information, but now all you can find is ads and popularity, and now AI that sidesteps accountability for the person supposed to correct what is wrong.
We miss when things used to work and work efficiently. Now you can get them to work sometimes, but not efficiently. Computers have gotten a lot faster at making things slower, and we don’t have much choice but to go along for the ride. But you can now find whatever answer you want to any question faster than a conspiracy theorist. And if you don’t like the first ten answers you find, you can accept the eleventh with a clear conscience.
Circling back: If you decide not to use a Win 10 or 11 computer on the internet, it will soon brick itself. I’ll be able to use this Win 7 beast of mine for everything else until I die. If I find a thrift store game from 1999, I can still run the DVD and play the game. I don’t need subscription software. I don’t need to have stuff that insists on living in the cloud. And, maybe more importantly, if I don’t want a program on my computer, I can take it off without the OS putting it right back on (although I may have to remove chrome in some odd cases, even if I’m not on the internet.)
you’re not being the bad guy, just reminding us that the future is going more and more dystopian whether we want it to or not. I used to laugh at those old “Big Brother” posters. If they only knew what was coming. At least that big brother still had something of a pulse.
TOR is used by criminals to trade in contraband so, if it works well enough for them, it can keep your browsing untraceable, too. 
It is a derivative of Firefox and applies benefits of privacy enhancements developed by Mozilla. Also, it is a front end for the TOR network of anonymizing virtual servers. Neither your ISP nor the site you’re visiting know of one another. Tracking your activity must rely on other means. The browser itself frustrates the use of cookies, ads, scripting, and fingerprinting.
Of course you can’t use it for online banking because you have to provide ID that matches your physical location. Remember: The site you’re visiting doesn’t know where you’re coming from. You can’t use it to visit your local newspaper’s site because they need to be able to track you to sell ads. You won’t have access to your Szociál Media for … reasons, but those places are nightmarish threats to privacy, anonymity, and security anyway, so it’s all good.
You want a Linux distribution that offers a long-life upgrade cycle such as Debian, which is about every two years.
There are continual stability updates, of course, but nothing like what Windows forces its users to endure. These updates can be applied in less than 10 minutes every six weeks or so without fuss or bother because the distribution manages all the dependencies and conflicts. Major applications are packaged and maintained for the distribution, and they just work.
Ain’t that the truth! I’ve mostly unsuccessfully attempted to identify AI and SEO optimized content in DuckDuckGo search results using a couple of scripts that I publish in the Cheese Shop (Python Package Index). Search for clanker_score.
These scripts score Web pages broadly on “keyword density.”
“Keywords” are the seven words most commonly occurring on the page. If these seven words are seen to be repeated on the page to an unusual degree, then it is a good assumption that the page was designed by the author to appear high on search results.
Keyword density is a measure of “gloss.” Most people will read pages with high keyword density as unusually glossy. Keyword density is not necessarily related to how genuine the page content appears to be otherwise, but most people will look askance at a page that is too glossy.
It should come as no big surprise that the pages appearing high on search results have been designed that way. They are deliberately glossy with high keyword density. You may consider whether to skip reading them or even loading them in your browser. Chances are good that the glossy pages are mostly advertising.
Generally you will find interspersed in your results a handful of sites with low keyword density. These are likely from universities, government sites, and research institutions that have sources of revenue beyond advertising. You may consider whether to load these up and skim through them. Probably they will show a publication date, author, and list of references, which will move your research forward.
It can be noted that AI-generated sites often exhibit high keyword density. This is probably deliberate so that they garner advertising revenue. However, it may also be due to “bot 'splaining,” which is polly-paraphrasing a series of several (perhaps contradictory) articles.
Keyword density is not the only measure of gloss. There are others that have been developed, calculating ratios between parts of speech. Unfortunately none of these distinguish sharply between pages that naturally convey genuine information and pages that have been designed to convey fluff for ulterior purposes. It is unlikely that combining measures of gloss will result in a tool that discriminates much better than keyword density by itself.
We don’t want to make this too easy for just anyone to censor all his search results. Rather, these scripts are meant as a learning tool. They demonstrate generally how rotten search results can be on one particular and not very compelling dimension. It should not be necessary to download and scan each and every page. You should be able to train yourself to ignore a priori results that include handfuls of pages from unauthoritative sites.
Here are countermeasures:
Give some thought to renting your own domain name, but don’t give GMail or any Webmail server the opportunity look over your shoulder at your correspondence and your friends’ replies.
… and GrowingFruit.org of course.
Big Media presents results that are ranked by revenue, not relevance. Revenue comes from engagement, which comes from telling you what you want to hear, which is what AI is for.
Thank you, this is a great explanation for one of the ways I have been analyzing webpages to determine whether it is AI generated and instead go somewhere else.
I’m running Puma browser and have the site as a shortcut on my phone home screen for an ‘app experience’. No issues since the update.
LOL. I’m not sure I want to be caught in a net fishing for future criminals, but I’d likely be weeded out of the lineup fairly easily. Truth be told, I don’t really care if my stuff can be seen. If someone is hard up enough to be wasting time on my life, I guess they can look but not touch. I don’t want it stealing my time, and resources or be thrown back at me. If I want something, I will look for it and go find it. I don’t need to be cold-contacted in any way. And I don’t need my resources and tools hijacked to guide me to it. Maintain the company’s website right and I’ll get there if I need to and trust you more for having made the effort. Yada yada. Yell at the wind. Etc.
But truly, thank you! That was a wealth of information that addressed a lot of my frustrations. And I didn’t foment a tangent in a growing things thread.
A lot of it might be compromise, but compromise is a lot better than “the swamp has taken over your back-yard; deal with it.” And I know the internet access items will always be running the way the predators want it to, because that is where their tithes go. (Spend money to make money.)
It stopped doing it for a while there, then started doing it again and hasn’t stopped doing it since. Sometimes (most of the times) it jumps 5 or six posts up or down while other times it can jump up to 15 posts. Reading a thread for the first time time, finishing a thread I’ve read part way, or am rereading it does not have any effect.
Before turning the screen off.
Hello, I m having trouble to connect to the forum since the update. No problem on thé phone but it doesn’t work at all on the computer neither on firefox or chrome. Any advices about what to do? Thank you!
I uploaded a photo right after the upgrade and the uploader automatically resized and inserted the picture. Today, it was back to being like the old one where you choose the size. Don’t know if that’s on purpose or good or bad. Just thought I’d mention it.
