Any updates on this? I’m interested as well
I saw online that it was a patented variety from Korea but there doesn’t seem to be any information other than that (I also wasn’t able to find any patents for it). I did order one for spring 2025 so, if all goes well, I will eventually be able to give an update.
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Thank you. I’m in the process of ordering one as well. I was hoping you had found out more being I couldn’t find anything either
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I see no indication that ‘Sunrise Ruby’ is patented. The only nursery I see listing it for sale is Burnt Ridge and they list no patent claim. Also, it does not have a valid trademark on the name. They are listing ‘Sunrise Ruby’ as a “TM” which indicates that is just a marketing name, but when nurseries do that they are required to list the actual cultivar name in addition to the trademark name. Failure to do so effectively invalidates the trademark name as a trademark can not be the only name by which a product is known. In summary, it looks like this cultivar is public domain and all are free to propagate it and use the name ‘Sunrise Ruby’ as the official cultivar name with no restrictions, royaltees, fees, etc.
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Note, Burnt Ridge lists three goumi cultivars as “Large,” ‘Red Gem,’ ‘Sweet Scarlet’ and ‘Sunrise Ruby.’ The fourth cultivar (the one we actually know for a fact to be large) has no reference to fruit size on their website. However, we know that two of the three listed as having large fruit, do not. Hopefully ‘Sunrise Ruby’ does not end up being similar in size to ‘Red Gem’ and ‘Sweet Scarlet.’
Screenshot from their goumi listing page:
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I had seen someone indicate that it is a patented variety in Korea on a Facebook group so it might not be true. It was from someone who said that they had called Burnt Ridge. I also saw someone who emailed Burnt Ridge and the reply was “This is actually a new variety to us and I do not have any more info on it yet”. That person had posted a screenshot of the email. I had searched for a Korean patent and couldn’t find anything, but I do not speak Korean. I also feel that if it were patented Burnt Ridge would have more information to share on it because normally patents contain descriptions. All of this together, I think no one really knows what this variety is going to be like. I also saw that Red Gem and Sweet Scarlet had “large fruited” in the description so it really does make it a bit questionable if this new variety will have large fruit. I think it is additionally questionable because it sounds like basically nothing is known about the variety so likely there is no reason it think it is actually large fruited. All of that being said, I am interested in the traits of the variety because there is a limited selection of goumi in the US so if it really is a new Korean variety, it will have value in its genetics.
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If it were patented in Korea, that would not put it under patent protection in the United States. They would need to apply for a US patent before distributing it here. It appears that ship has sailed so it’s safe to say it is not protected (except possibly within Korea only).
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I think for fruit size, Pippi is the largest confirmed (by members of this forum) variety. I know you had grown this variety from seed. Do you have any restrictions on its propagation? Also, I have seen it discussed online that Wang Bo might have large fruit. I saw on Facebook that it might be 2-3x larger than Carmin which would possibly even be larger than Pippi.
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‘Pippi’ is public domain. Once you have it you may propagate it. Just ensure you are propagating it clonally so that we don’t end up with new seedlings getting shared under the same name. Of course you can also plant its seeds, but just don’t call the seedlings ‘Pippi.’
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I just did a Google search to see if anyone else who has gotten ‘Pippi’ from me has published any info on it. I actually have distributed scion wood to a few different nurseries, but at this time none of them have confirmed to me that they were successful in propagating it. That said, I do see one small nursery which I have not heard of has ‘Pippi’ listed for sale (currently out of stock). However, their cultivar description for it is inaccurate. I have contacted them to correct the description and hopefully they can confirm if they actually received scion from me under a different name (since their nursery did not acquire it from me and it is unlikely they would have acquired it elsewhere given how recently it was released and the limited number of people who have gotten it so far).
Edit: After a bit of research, I was able to confirm who runs the afore mentioned nursery and can confirm he did actually get his original ‘Pippi’ scion from me so that’s a relief! I just need him to correct his description which I’m sure was an honest mistake.
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I think I saw the nursery that you mentioned. It looks like they also have a YouTube channel and featured ‘Pippi’ in a goumi video earlier this year.
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Yes, I found the video too. It looks true to type in the video, just picked under-ripe.
In addition to Humble Abode Nursery which appears to have the real deal, I’ve also sent ‘Pippi’ scion to Cliff D. England as well as Planting Justice. I may have sent it to another small nursery that only does local sales as well so I don’t expect they would really show up much online if they start selling it.
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I just got an email stating that there was a crop failure for the sunrise ruby so it does not look like I will be getting one yet.
Thank you for letting me know. They haven’t sent me an email saying my order has been canceled as of yet
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@Austrian_FruitNut so glad I found this thread because Im thinking of buying and test to grow goumi up here in Sweden. The varieties I can get hold of are Sweet Scarlet, SSP and Dr. Szczepan. Since SSP is said to come from Austria, do you have any experience with it?
p.s. I’m thinking of buying all three varieties 
Hey there. Honestly speaking, there is no big difference in this 3 cultivars. I would only choose 2 of them. Sweet Scarlet is the best of them - prolific and low astringency. The other one you will only need as an pollenizer to increase harvests. The fruit size of the 3 cultivars is pretty similar.
SSP was actually an ornamental Elaeagnus multiflora planting on a public space in the city I live (Graz), it got cut down about 3 or 4 years ago. I do not find it to be special. It made his way from here to a polish nursery.
Dr. Szczepan is somewhat average too.
I regularly sell scions in January, but this year I am done.
Same goes with seeds of superior cultivars around June.
Feel free to contact me.
Here you can see SC compared to a big fruited Seedling and Daiougoumi
This is the original SSP Bush being overgrown with Sambucus nigra about 5 or 6 years ago
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Daiougoumi is the best you grow for taste and fruit size, yes?
Wo hast du deine Pflanze gekauft?? I only know of one seller from Germany.
Yes, carya still sell it. So it is not really worth it to buy if you can get sweet scarlet instead?
Has daiougoumi made it into the US yet?
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Thank you for the reply! 
Okay! Then maybe I’ll go for two. Which kind do you think is the best of Ssp and Dr. Szczepan in case you were to choose only one?
