Beautiful pear and delicious to. They normally are not this red but these are in direct sun. Cant wait for them to ripen.
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Are those regular Seckel that are large this year? Or is “Large Seckel” a distinct cultivar?
My Seckel are tiny. Perhaps because the leaf area isn’t much more than the fruit area.
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Large Seckel is a different variety. I got it from 39thparallel a few months ago.
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This is a perfect example of why it’s important for plant enthusiasts to adopt standardized methodologies for writing plant names. Fortunately, the standardization already exists. We just need more folks to adopt it!
Examples:
- large ‘Seckel’
- ‘Large Seckel’
- large “Seckel”
All three of these sound the same, but mean three different things.
- …means it is a ‘Seckel’ pear that is large in size.
- …means it is a cultivar of pear called ‘Large Seckel.’
- …means it is a large pear that is a so called “Seckel,” but not actually the true ‘Seckel.’
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I wish the methodology further include the restriction that it can only have “Seckel” in the name at all if it is a sport or mutation of Seckel.
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That’s just how much like Seckle in fruit qualities it is though. Apparently.
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Not to muddy the waters more but there is worden seckle and others you should know about
The original seckle
Large seckle is better than seckle in most ways.
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Not even close yet Clark. This is the list of all varieties in the database which either have Seckel in the name or are descended from Seckel. Interestingly, none of them are named “Large Seckel”!
Carrick,PI 617573
Chapin,PI 541161
Dana Hovey,PI 541169
Early Seckel,PI 541184
Estella,PI 541709
Eureka,PI 541710
Gansel Seckel,PI 541466
Giant Seckel,PI 49490
H 6831/1.12,PI 541200
Hall 20,PI 617551
Honeysweet,PI 541320
Hoskins,PI 541208
Magness,PI 541299
Marks,PI 541446
Mericourt,PI 541345
Missouri No. 83,PI 541720
NY 10262,PI 541807
Pioneer #3,PI 541549
Richard Peters,PI 541715
Seckel,PI 541262, PI 153118
Seckel (Roberts),
Seckel x Domestic French OP,PI 541381
Vermont Beauty,PI 541277
Worden Seckel,PI 541286
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Not that I can find, however, my database does not include all of the named but not distributed and not in database seedlings of Seckel.
I edited the post to include PI numbers for all that I have info on.
I would love to see Large Seckel crossed with a larger fruited variety like Clara Frijs.
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There is a bunch like Warren is a sibling to Magness both of which are seckle x comice.
Many sugar pears are seedlings of seckle but genetic testing needs to be done on many of these
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And there are second and third generation descendants like Gem. I’m not screening for Seckel at that level of relatedness. Maybe I should.
Which reminds me, I deliberately converted all misspellings from Seckle to Seckel which is the correct spelling.
Also, Warren was tested in the DNA round by USDA. It did not show up with parents while Magness did. I agree that Comice is probably one parent and Seckel is either a parent or grandparent but it should have showed up in the DNA tests.
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Their methods are faulty.
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They claim burford is kieffer which means nearly everyone is not growing kieffer or the method is wrong or both.
Look at the folliage of burford it is like no kieffer i have ever seen.
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DNA did not show Burford with any parents. The only comment is they think it is pure P. Communis and perhaps an old french variety.
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I’d heard Honeysweet described as like a larger Seckel. Mine didn’t fruit before succumbing .
I do know of Worden Seckel, but not of the others with Seckel in the name.
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Just to clarify giant seckle is where warren comes from which is a seedling of seckle.
Warren = giant seckle x comice it is not the normal seckle.
Giant seckle is a seedling of seckle. Worden is another seedling of seckle.
There are many many others like gansel and early seckle but most are likely lost or extinct . I could tell you guys more but it is all things i have said before in previous posts. Nobody really cares unless they grow pears like i do. Large seckle is also presumbably lost or extinct except among our circles.
@Barkslip had early seckle and was selling those trees
Giant may be the same as large seckle. I wish i could get my hands on more information but i suspect you would be hard pressed to find out as much as i know already. It is like I have always said you just have to grow them out. Large seckle flavor is exceptional. Grown correctly there is few pears better than it at its best. Seckel is good but not that good. I may check.pears of new york and review that. I need to review the information i have already gathered.
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I thought I remembered someone posting Burford was found to be Bartlett, but I can’t find the post. I recall replying my Burford had redder foliage.
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@JesseinMaine said it was the same as kieffer but it doesnt look the same to me. Jesse likely read it somewhere.
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